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cajuns
Joined: Apr 10, 2006
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Posted: 2007-Jul-30 16:08
Hi,
I have been having major problems with my web site being mostly in supplemental for a long time. I don't know much about php and someone told me to check the server headers. The result of the check is below. Could the no cache and the expiration date be what is causing it to be indexed but stay in supplemental?
If so, where how can I change it? I have no idea where on my server this is stored. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you!
HTTP/1.1 200 OKDate: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:03:11 GMTServer: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635.SR1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.7f PHP-CGI/0.1bCache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMTPragma: no-cacheX-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.4Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=dea0345b0d09ecc2f7cd8b8322d77fca; path=/Connection: closeContent-Type: text/html
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-Jul-31 02:48
The session IDs in the URLs will create infinite Duplicate Content.
I suspect that your problem lies there.
Make sure too, that only www URLs or only non-www URLs can be indexed for your site. Use a 301 redirect on the other one.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2007-Jul-31 05:56
Besides your scripts have set the Pragma no cache directive which means not only the browsers/ISP proxy servers but also the search engines will not cache your pages. Unless it is explicitly required, issuing a "no cache" directive may not be in the best interest. Most people who dabble in cloaking will not want their pages cached by the Search engines.
If you want your contents to be indexed and ranked well, allow a "free path" to the search engines with out any restrictions or appendages - like session ids.
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cajuns
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Posted: 2007-Jul-31 15:13
g1smd, and Prowler, thanks for the information. I appreciate it. Like you said, the script set the pragma no cache and also the expiration date, so I really don't know where to change this. I have looked through all my files and still can't find it. I looked in the .htaccess file, but it isn't there either. Can someone tell me where to find it, or is there somewhere I can read up on this?
Also, how do I get rid of session Id's, and should I take the expiration date out also? The script set it to expire Thu, 19 Nov 1981, that doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but I don't know much about php and how all this is done. Thanks again for your help in advance
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Prowler
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Posted: 2007-Aug-01 14:04
If the site on your profile is the one you are talking about, I see about 20,800 pages indexed in Google and most of the creamy pages are not in supplementals. You would be well advised to tread carefully. It might be a good idea to hire a SEO who is well conversant with PHP. It would be quite a task to tinker with hundreds of lines of codes for those who are learning the ropes.
With that said, they have deliberately set the page expiry date well in the past as a ruse to load the page fresh every time. As the site is "powered" by EasySiteNetwork which obviously has written the software, you can begin your exploration from there. If you are using a paid version, you should be entitled to some kind of support.
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cajuns
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Posted: 2007-Aug-01 17:37
Hi Prowler, thanks so much...well as of yesterday they were almost ALL in supplemental! I checked today, and most have come out of supplemental after many many many months of being almost all supplemental. They were pretty much all indexed about a year ago, and then all of sudden all most went supplemental, and stayed there until now. I wish I knew why they were in supplemental to begin with, and why they came out finally! Of course, Google won't tell you that!
Thank you for the info on why the expiration date was set. I didn't have a clue how come it was set so far into the past.
Unfortunately, I do not have the paid version of the software, although in order to use the software, I have to keep the "powered by" on the script, and the forum for help is not much help at all.
On the matter of an SEO, do you know anyone that you could recommend and the possible costs involved? There are so many out there, and I don't know where to start.
Thanks again so much for your help.
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langardmicro
Joined: Mar 12, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Aug-02 01:10
They may be out of the SI because Google doesn't display "Supplemental" results anymore.
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cajuns
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Posted: 2007-Aug-02 02:34
Hi langardmicro, when did they start not showing supplemental? That is probably what happened then, because although they showed them out of it, it did not show any increase in traffic.
Thanks for the info.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-Aug-02 20:15
>> They may be out of the SI because Google doesn't display "Supplemental" results anymore. <<
Clarification required.
Google still has a Supplemental Index. Google still has Supplemental Results.
All that has happened is that the words "Supplemental Result" no longer appear anywhere in the Google SERPs.
So, all they have done is hide the ability for anyone to see which index the results have actually come from.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2007-Aug-08 10:16
You have a very good collection of recipes - Cajuns. I took a quick look and found that for the keyword - Rabbit Gumbo Recipe - you are ranking at 4th position. From all outward appearances, it seems that at least this page is out of supplemental purgatory. I am sure hundreds of others would have come out too.
You have almost everything right except for a bit of clutter in the top of your page ( including the header bit we were discussing earlier).
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cajuns
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Posted: 2007-Aug-14 21:32
Thanks Prowler, I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you.
There were a few that were not supplemental, and that recipe was one of them. But still, for some reason, google is not indexing about 99 percent of the recipes themselves. Google is indexing the categories, but not most of the recipes. It probably has to do with an error somewhere, but I really don't have a clue where or what. It probally has to do with the headers returned from the server as NO CACHE, and I don't know how to change that. The forum alone has over 44, 000 posts, and not very many of those are listed. I know I have an error somewhere, but have not figured it out. I started this whole website based on PHP when I knew nothing about it, and didn't know any better. Still don't know a lot, but have learned some, but not near enough to try and begin to figure it out. I asked before, but y'all may have missed it, do you or anyone know of someone who has php experience that could help me out? Free is great, but I am willing to pay something.
Thanks again,
Cajuns
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Prowler
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Posted: 2007-Aug-16 10:13
No issues Cajuns. The motto of this forum is to help each other out. So I suggest that we start at this part by part. And there will be help available free from here. PHP or the coding is not the issue here.
You will need to decide what you want done. Work out a plan of action and break the tasks into their natural logical segments and get back to us. We will try and sort it out. 
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cajuns
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Posted: 2007-Aug-28 01:26
Hi again, and thanks!
Okay, let me see if I can explain a little better. Google has around 17,900 pages indexed. But many of those pages are not showing up when searched on. I understand that they may not be that important to Google, and why they may not show up in a search because of that, but, it sure seems like out of that many pages being indexed a lot more would be found when searched on.
There are only a few of the recipes themselves on the main site showing up in google search. About 4 out of many.
The forum is staring to show more pages in google search, but the recipe themselves on the main part of the site, still do not show up when searched on. Some of the categories do, but all but 4 recipes do not, so it seems to me that there must be something wrong on the recipes section.??
I sure hope I am making sense! I just would like to figure out for now, what is wrong with the recipes section. That's why I thought with the headers showing no cache that it could possibly be the problem. Since it's not, any suggestions on what it could be?
Thanks so much
Cajuns
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