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stevenjm Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/28/2003 11:11 pm
"just quality links from sites that have relevant information that fits our sites." lorenbaker I agree. And excessive anything(seo) is always to be avoided with google. |
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applied321 Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 08:15 am
I was just trying to work out when someone I don't even know, has ever had control over my business and income. It took me a while but the answer is NEVER, until now! Thanks Google, thanks for screwing up my Christmas, thanks for losing me 4 or 5 grand a week, thanks for impacting where I might be living in a few months (you're screwing my mortgage company too) and thanks so much for taking me from some great number 1 positions to absolutely nowhere. I hope all at Google have a fun Christmas and enjoy continuing to play Monopoly during those cold Winter nights! Some people say God is a man, some say God is a woman, all wrong, God is a modern day corporate crook called Google. Google, please take a number and stand behind Ms. Stewart. |
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applied321 Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 08:18 am
I was just trying to work out when someone I don't even know, has ever had control over my business and income. It took me a while but the answer is NEVER, until now! Thanks Google, thanks for screwing up my Christmas, thanks for losing me 4 or 5 grand a week, thanks for impacting where I might be living in a few months (you're screwing my mortgage company too) and thanks so much for taking me from some great number 1 positions to absolutely nowhere. I hope all at Google have a fun Christmas and enjoy continuing to play Monopoly during those cold Winter nights! Some people say God is a man, some say God is a woman, all wrong, God is a modern day corporate crook called Google. Google, please take a number and stand behind Ms. Stewart. |
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weightlossforall.com Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 10:17 am
My site has been dumped for so many search terms yet I provide good relevent info! I've noticed lots of worse results, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK at this classic for phrase "calories in alcohol" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=calories+in+alcohol the first 2 listings - URLs are the same company and for prescription drugs yet click into them and there selling xmas gifts - so we all know whos gonna have a great christmas this year - all the spammers! God knows what the 4th site in list is trying to do but its so dodgey! Google sucks! |
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haus Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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Posted: 11/29/2003 10:45 am
When you see things like this, note that on the bottom of page 1 of the search results there is a link to let Google know about the quality of the search results. (says "help us improve"  . Fill it out! Also, note that you have to enter something in the last field on that form; it appears to be optional, but it's not. I just put a letter in there and the submission went through. |
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nnclyn Joined: Nov 29, 2003
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Posted: 11/29/2003 10:45 am
Yipes..I clicked that link. Scary stuff. Anyone think that google is going to rethink this, and make corrections any time soon? |
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neiljones Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 12:17 pm
weightlossforall.com The trouble is that you are looking at an extremely easy to spam search category. If you do "Calories in alcohol" WITH the quotes you find only 514 items for the search. Yes this is spammy stuff we are looking at but easy to spam for. Google may well have applied algo pieces that denegrate this kind of thing but they don't work for small categories. Remember the algo isn't that intelligent. It doesn't understand what it is reading and it has to be fast so there is a limit to the filtering methods. I am afraid we may be stuck with these changes. On non high value stuff there appears to be no impact at all. |
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SearchEngineZ Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Posted: 11/29/2003 02:37 pm
applied321: I keep saying to folk, if you are making big money from a high ranking in Google, think of it as a blessing rather than a right. And don't make any plans regarding that income tomorrow, next month or next year. Many people in your situation would be anecdotal to their friends about how "easy" it is to make money online. I do. Of course there must be a downside... |
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stevenjm Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 03:35 pm
I agree. Google owes nobody anything. Its a free service designed for searchers not seo's. I think its great that you can manage good listings with seo most of the time. Stick with googles guidelines and %99 of the time you will be in the gravy for free. What a deal! Anybody that relies solely on good google listings or has become complacent needs to remember who is actually in control and can do what they wish when they wish. Sorry for the people who are suffering but you should never base a business around something beyond your control. |
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watling Joined: Nov 29, 2003
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Posted: 11/29/2003 04:18 pm
I am afraid my site is one of Google's victims. I'm a Realtor who has nursed my home-brew site along for 5-1/2 years now. My goal has always been to provide the most comprehensive community info resource on the net (not to sell real estate) and, until the past week, Google has been very kind to me, as have clients who found my site. For the past year or more, the site has been #1 in 2 primary keyword phrases, "(city) real estate" and "(city) (state) real estate." Now my site ranks #207 for "(city) real estate" and #226 for "(city) (state) real estate." It's interesting to note some of the sites that rank higher under these search terms than mine now does: weather forecasts, out-of-State-related sites, limo services, State park sites, a Washington Post article about the 1997 census, etc., etc. I always felt my good fortune was more the result of alchemy than skill, but would sure like to find out what went haywire and how I can best salvage the remains! |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 11/29/2003 04:19 pm
"Sorry for the people who are suffering but you should never base a business around something beyond your control." Do fisherman control the ocean? Can farmers control the weather? I'm an SEM. It is no more risky for a small business to be 100% Internet based, and depend on search engines for traffic, than to try and do it brick & mortar. The fact is, one engine managed to fool AOL and Yahoo into a deal that they would deliver world class consistent results based on page rank. One engine was allowed too much control. Then they abandoned PR for whatever it is they are doing now. This same company is now on the verge of selling billions of dollars in stock. People still believe this company can do no wrong and will buy that stock, not realizing the truth ... Google really doesn't have the answer to search. They are not the "one". Yahoo and Microsoft can and probably will take back Google's market. I think a lot of people will lose money buying Google. Regardless, we'll still be here, come what may, SEM, search engine marketing, it's what a lot of us depend on. |
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gad777 Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 04:30 pm
RE: Google Algo. Change - I disagree totally with those that say Google can do whatever they want with their algo. and serps. Why? Let me give you some examples: What if Sunoco was allowed to do whatever it wanted with its product (gas)? Lets say they decided one day to put vinegar in with their gas. What if some famous food chain decided it could do whatever it wanted with its product (food) and started to poison people? Worse yet if we allow that a hospital is a type of company, what if hospitals could do whatever the hell they wanted to with their product (health care)?!? Does the name Mengele come to mind?!? The list is endless. I could come up with hndreds, perhaps thousands of other horrific examples. What if pharmaceutical companies could do whatever they want with their product (drugs)?!? Of course these companies would pay dearly for abusing their products. If in the examples above a gasoline company produced bad quality gas then eventually people would stop buying it. If a hospital had an unusually high mortality rate among its patients, people would stop going there, etc. The same will eventually happen to Google for ABUSING their product. Yes, Google can do whatever they like with their algorithim; BUT in time they could pay a very big PRICE for having done so..... Can anyone on this forum tell me just ONE example of a championship sports team, a heavyweight boxer, an Olympic champion, an opera singer, a country for that matter that has stayed on top forever?!? Of course not! And the same goes for search engines. I can't predict when; but I can predict with a CERTAINTY that Googles reign will end..... And much like the old Roman empire, they'll only have themselves to blame. |
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searching123 Joined: Dec 09, 2000
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Posted: 11/29/2003 04:41 pm
As I previously mentioned this has been happening in Australia for about 4-5 months. I must admit I have not been dissatisfied with general searches until now. Normally when I would only do a general search I would do it using "the web" rather than locally so I hadn't noticed the problem before. The problem of relevance has become so frustrating that I have now started using the "Dissatisfied with your search results? Help us improve." link at the bottom of the Google page. I'd recommend that if you are having the same problem as I'm seeing in general (not just looking specifically for your optimized pages) I would start using that link. This way Google might get around to adjusting it's algo a whole lot sooner. |
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 11/29/2003 04:43 pm
Agree with unreviewed.. my business will survive come what may in the rising and falling of algos and engines. watling - welcome to the forums, it sound like your website is a valuable one containing good content. In most cases I am advising not to make any changes just now as google is not done as yet. The only thing I can suggest is to go back over the google guidelines and see if there is anything that sticks out that could be improved in the light of your longterm success.. (not based on what you see today as it could be passing). |
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stevenjm Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 05:44 pm
"Let me give you some examples: What if Sunoco was allowed to do whatever it wanted with its product (gas)?" When it starts giving its gas away for free it will have every right. "It is no more risky for a small business to be 100% Internet based, and depend on search engines for traffic, than to try and do it brick & mortar." It is if its based entirely around one free engine that can do as it pleases. I am not having a go at people I just think a lot of people are over reacting to a small hiccup from a service that has provided them with an income consistently most of the time. And for free! (I also have a bad habit of jumping to the defence of whoever the majority is against) 
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 11/29/2003 06:18 pm
I just really think that Google has blown it. It was a company that could do no wrong. This thing going on now is really really bad. It's not a hiccup, it's a turn of a page. |
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weightlossforall.com Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 06:21 pm
Ok now I've followed the suggestions and ideas in these threads about whats going on at G and why some may be getting penalties. One of my pages was top listing for "anaerobic exercise" now its nowhere. I have no sites linking to this page and the URL does not contain that phrase. Can anyone tell me how I have used "bad" tricks to gain that top spot? http://www.weightlossforall.com/anaerobic%20training.htm I think we should keep filling in those "let us improve" forms at bottom of results page. Google must do something about these poor searches. I know its easy for me and others to moan because I'm losing income but look at the link I posted earlier to see who is still winning from googles mistakes, does crime pay or what? |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 11/29/2003 06:30 pm
Ok, you are pregnant and you are a nurse, so you want to buy a maternity uniform, is this helpful, http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maternity+uniform Here is the plural version, http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maternity+uniforms |
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stevenjm Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 11/29/2003 06:35 pm
No. But its a cool recruitment trick. |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 11/29/2003 07:15 pm
No one ever said Google wasn't patriotic. |
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