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StupidScript2
Joined: Mar 23, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Apr-23 17:53
Y'know how you have a problem all day that you just can't figure out, then you go home and tell a family member about it, and while you're telling them, not only does the answer come to you, but you realize that it was a silly idea in the first place?
I'm feeling that, now. A quote comes to mind, after reading dpeddle's note (sorry, I forget who said it):
"This is the solution to what problem?"
If I so desperately need my stupid little links from my own sites to get my PageRank up, then I'm not making much of a website, AND I am definitely not working hard enough to develop relationships with other sites that would properly enhance my value when we cross-link.
St0n3y: I do want to hear more discussion on the bits and pieces, particularly when there is a valid point to discuss, and in this case it is certainly valid to address error-correction with regard to assumptions made by spiders about inter-site relationships. At this point, I'm not sure I could add any value to the discussion about that in a forum like this, as everyone (incl. me) are just postulating without hope of getting the "real" answer from Google.
I do enjoy the brainwork, but I am not going to worry about my own domains cross-linking, anymore. I think I'll go on a relevant, "expert" cross-link hunt...that might prove to be more useful to me.
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dpeddle
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Posted: 2004-Apr-26 15:08
good choice SS2 ...
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Bry
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Apr-26 15:13
Y'know how you have a problem all day that you just can't figure out, then you go home and tell a family member about it, and while you're telling them, not only does the answer come to you, but you realize that it was a silly idea in the first place?
Happens to me all the time. hehe Sometimes it makes perfect sense to cross link your sites however and Google penalizing you for it is a valid fear. It sucks when SE politics have to be considered before you place a link on your web site.
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mairu
Joined: Dec 22, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 23:15
Awright, finally some proof to Bhartzer's argument. I have a web development company, which also does hosting. I have a single shared IP domain from which, i do resell a GB of space. Now all the sites our company designs, we naturally put a backlink at the bottom of the page, like traditionally.
But i noticed, our PR going down from 5 to 4, then fluctuating between 2 and 3 and now 2.
I believe this is the reason, and prolly the site has been penalized. I do have like 15 backlinks within the same IP.
The solution probably is just to host my website on another server, righto ?
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-29 01:08
If this theory of Google penalising sites that link and are on the same IP is true, it is totally ridiculous. With the vast volumes of hidden linkfarm spam still rocking and rolling in their index it would seem to me to be totally stupid to be so narrow.
Any good spammer will go create their "artificial linkages" with numerous domains spread all around the world.. Thousands of them... why on earth would a local business need to fear linking to their mates.
I most certainly do not discredit anyone elses experiences here, I am just saying the concept and actioning of this is CRAZY! if true .. phewy.. google can go jump if they think "AH HA... same IP.. linking together.. must be naughty!"
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-Apr-29 17:26
The solution probably is just to host my website on another server, righto ?
I would move your domain to another dedicated IP on another server and I would bet that your rankings come back. I'm not so sure your PR will come back, though.
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excell
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Posted: 2004-Apr-29 17:52
for what it is worth:
We can do it, but we prefer not to. Virtual hosting means that innocent sites and spam sites can be on the same Class C block--or even on the same IP address.
Besides, it's not so hard for a NastyJerk to move to a different hosting company. So in general we avoid this.
Googleguy 10:05 pm on Dec 16, 2003 In response to question on banning/blocking by IP. http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/20636.htm
I think the key factor is - why are you creating links? If you are doing something that causes you to look over your shoulder then quit doing it. If you are happy with the web you are weaving then don't worry. In my opinion there are so many things that have gone wrong with the way Google deals with what they do & do not index (and rank) in their search engine that I cannot draw any ONE specific answer as a definative or
blanket reason for anything.
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StupidScript2
Joined: Mar 23, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 03:35
Hear hear, excell! I'm so happy to hear both the comment and your perspective. And might I add... Right On!
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St0n3y
Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 16:43
good info Excell, thanks.
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mibut
Joined: Dec 08, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 17:20
"so in general we avoid this"
I think for most search terms google is avoiding but for real estate search terms and other popular queries I think same ip is a big NONO>
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excell
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 17:30
I cannot draw conclusive evidence on this though..(I think it is something else) can anyone else?
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 18:07
I have conclusive evidence on this. I've had clients with domains hosted on the same IP that linked to each other that had ranking problems. I moved them all to dedicated IPs and the rankings came back. That's good enough for me.
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excell
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 18:13
Uh huh...so google has a problem on this then, doesn't it.
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monsterceo
Joined: May 03, 2004
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Posted: 2004-May-03 20:12
Hello!
I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Stephanie Leffler, the CEO of MonsterCommerce. I noticed above that you mentioned that MonsterCommerce hosts our sites on virtual IPs. We do, in fact, provide a unique IP address for each store in our network. I just wanted to make sure you all that the facts
Thanks
Steph
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dpeddle
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Posted: 2004-May-03 20:19
its a basic rule of thumb not to link your domains together on the same ip... ESPECIALLY.... if you don't have enough legitimate outside links from directories, related websites, etc.....
Excell said:
"I think the key factor is - why are you creating links? If you are doing something that causes you to look over your shoulder then quit doing it. If you are happy with the web you are weaving then don't worry."
Okay.... but given the context of this thread... most people are in fact thinking of building a network of sites to influence google. If that is the case..... same ip is a big mistake.... in fact... i would go as far as to say.... linking a bunch of domains together on the same ip would be as silly as forgetting to include a title and description on your pages.
If you going to risk it.... do it properly.
These threads seem to go in circles.... because people are hoping that there is a loophole... an out...... like... 'hmmmmmmmm... if i try a,b,c or d.... while thinking of e, f, and g..... then perhaps...just maybe... google won't see it as a bad thing and penalize me... after all.. i am only 'linking to my local buds'.
NO NO.... for those of you who are not versed in seo and are learning.... understand..... linking sites together is a BIG RISK......and the reward at best..... is minimal rankings for a brief period of time......
then... shortly afterwards.. any of the following will happen:
1) your sites lose rank
2) get penalized
3) possibly banned
4) lose page rank
5) lose links
6) more importantly... you get ratted out by a competitor
Eg: I run optilink a couple times a month for the sole purpose of identifying link networks..... if they compete with me....i report them.... and they DO get knocked out . If they don't compete with me .. i email them... and point out what i have found.
And if i can find out using a little program link optilink.... imagine how easy it is for google.
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d_stew
Joined: Apr 12, 2004
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Posted: 2004-May-03 20:47
monsterceo, Welcome. Even though yo uprovide unique IPs, it can also be problematic to have multiple links from teh same IP block. Just an FYI in case anyone is considering what the ramifications of buying multiple sites in the same block and interlinking them all. The result will be possible banishment, and at least getting buried in never-never-result land.
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