Richard B
Joined: Apr 03, 2000
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Posted: 2003-May-05 21:39
I didn't say it was the "only" reason. Relevancy YES, about stale results, if there is a good fresh incorporation of new websites, I don't see how it can become stale. Besides honest optimization and SEO don´t necessarily mean static or stale results.
There is nothing wrong with honest optimization. Even Google says its ok. My point was that if all SEOs had their way, their listings would be in the top positions at all times. That goal being a complete success, you would see the same listings time and time again. New sites being added would have a tuff time getting to the top. Searchers would have a harder time as well if they are looking for new sites in a related area. Even without SEOs if we all just depended upon the search engines placement the search engine would still have to make changes.
SURELY richard B, getting rid of the cheaters and spammers with low content site will make the search results better??
Absolutely 
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dankidney
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 2003-May-05 23:02
SagaLore - Google currently does deep and shallow crawls on a regular basis. The shallow crawls you will often see new sites get a page rank of 0, thats googlebot taking a peek and saying ok youre there, ill come back for you later. The other purpose of the shallow crawls is to look for changed content. These shallow crawls will cause minor changes in ranking, a phonomenon know as "Everflux". It also allows google to give more up to date results. After a normal "dance" google will also send out "deepbot" a few days afterword.
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CaptPerfecto
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2003-May-05 23:18
Run Lola Run...
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Logan
Joined: Aug 14, 2002
# Posts: 3749
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Posted: 2003-May-06 02:14
now www2 and www3 are showing the -sj datacenter now.
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mrguy
Joined: Sep 06, 2002
# Posts: 50
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Posted: 2003-May-06 02:16
Yup!!!
Looks like the SJ center is the new index.
Months of work getting solid links shot down the tubes!!!!
Yahoo is missing over 300K backlinks!
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OAC
Staff
Joined: Jan 25, 2001
# Posts: 6805
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Posted: 2003-May-06 02:26
mrguy, there is no need to panic. Google has been testing and implementing a new algorithm in the experimental server www-sj. They apparently used a mixture of an old index with some recently spidered pages added. Also, the link analysis and PR calculations are done separately and then applied. Similarly with certain spam filters. When the next reindex is implemented expect to see changes to results more like what you would expect, following the reapplication of up to date link analysis and page PR and the spam filters.
Hope this helps 
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Pongo
Joined: May 27, 2002
# Posts: 665
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Posted: 2003-May-06 04:14
It seems several people see changes but when I check yahoo backlinks on all 8 datacenters I get 661,000 except for datacenter 2. Does anyone else (not) see any change?
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Logan
Joined: Aug 14, 2002
# Posts: 3749
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Posted: 2003-May-06 04:21
Yes I see changes pongo - yahoo backlinks as follows:
www - 661,000
www2 - 384,000
www3 - 384,000
The www2 and www3 now show what was/is on www-sj.
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Pongo
Joined: May 27, 2002
# Posts: 665
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Posted: 2003-May-06 05:11
ok - I see the new change in www3... I always check the data centers for dance indications. datacenter 2 is feeding www2 & www3 as people have stated. I'm a little slow
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crash
Staff
Joined: Dec 02, 2003
# Posts: 10626
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Posted: 2003-May-06 05:23
The datacenters may very well be going wacko. Google has made statements that they are implimenting a new algo. This is going to make things like ranking and backlinks fluctuate as it spreads to the other servers. It will *look* like a dance, but it doesn't mean it really is the dance.
Now, I place my money on 'not dancing yet' but I admit there is a slight chance I could be wrong.
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OAC
Staff
Joined: Jan 25, 2001
# Posts: 6805
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Posted: 2003-May-06 05:42
IMO this is the dance, but a different type of one, in that it is being implemented in parts. Normally, we see the new algo after the PR and link analysis has been substantially factored in. This time we are not, and the links and PR will be factored in as the dance progresses. I think everything will revert to "normal", next dance, but I guess I'll have to wait and see.
My 2 cents.
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mil2k
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 330
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Posted: 2003-May-06 06:26
Here's my opinion on what is happening:-
Google is trying to bring significant changes in it's algo to try and improve it's SERPs. To do that, they have to ensure quality control and hence what they have decided is to use an old index with the fresh results. Doing that allows them to give fresh relevant results to the users while they continue to tinker with their indexes. So what we have is an update taking place which may not necessarily be good for SEO's in the short term, but that will change when google starts including deep crawl and links from last month. Keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. I think google has really planned this for sometime now. Hope to see good results.
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serenoo
Joined: Dec 12, 2000
# Posts: 204
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Posted: 2003-May-06 08:49
I have a site that has only one link (from dmoz), when I search for its domain name, it appears on www but not in www2 and www3.
When I type link:http://www.mysite.xxx I find 0 links from www and 6 links from www2 and www3 (that it had 2 months ago).
Data is incorrect or at least very old.
An important change:
on www you will find (for example):
Results 1 - 7 of about 14
on www2 and www3 you will find ALL inbound links:
Results 1 - 14 of 14
[ Message was edited by: serenoo 05/06/2003 01:23 am ]
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 2003-May-06 09:35
What has been said about the algo change, I believe that has a lot to do with the way Googlebot is now crawling, as I have seen with my oldest website since the 7th of February. So, if the crawling changes, there has to be new algorithms to absorve this more intensive crawling. The whole cycle, including the Google Dance will change.
This website I am talking about has been crawled everyday (almost) since February, with maybe two or 3 pauses of 1 and a half or 2 days, being yesterday and today the last pause.
It is the new improved Google
[ Message was edited by: etreus 05/06/2003 01:48 am ]
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 2003-May-06 09:36
Hey, I am a Junior now!
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croupier
Joined: Aug 17, 2001
# Posts: 76
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Posted: 2003-May-06 09:47
I noticed google is caching framesets. Is this part of the new algo or did I miss this in an earlier update?
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serenoo
Joined: Dec 12, 2000
# Posts: 204
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Posted: 2003-May-06 10:38
Hi Etreus, a question for you:
Why do you think Google is improved?
I see 384 000 inbound links for yahoo instead of 661 000.
I see sites, with more than 200 inbound links, disapperead.
I see inbound links not updated
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chad
Joined: Nov 20, 2003
# Posts: 199
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Posted: 2003-May-06 10:54
To be honest im hoping its not a dance, or at least www-sj isnt the new index, its a bit old. Last months. Not good.
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yellowwing
Joined: May 21, 2002
# Posts: 2526
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Posted: 2003-May-06 12:10
I'm seeing something. It looks like the same order that were in the last Freshbot results.
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 2003-May-06 12:18
Hi Serenoo. Don't think that Google will do anything that will not benefit the end user, to maintain their leadership.
More intensive crawling will improve their databases in quantity, and with the right algo to cope with that, also the quality of the information provided.
Now, the outcome for some of us, probably will have negative results at this point, but it could change when the update is finished.
What you are mentioning there Serenoo, could be transitory. Let's see what happens at the end of this update.
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