jimdomains
Joined: Mar 16, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 00:36
If you have site with say a PR of 6 and you link to another website without that website linking back, does the PR get reduced from the the PR 6 website? (even if you cannot notice the reduction on the toolbar)
Thanks for the help.
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zebra
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 01:12
I would say no, PR 6 site PR dependes on links what link to the PR 6. Just do not link to bad neighborhood (banned sites).
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jbgilbert
Joined: Sep 16, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 01:26
No... the PR6 is built by inbound links to the PR6 site. The PR is not reduced buy linking outbound.
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Dinkar
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 01:29
The PR is depended on backlinks from other sites and internal pages. When you put a link to another site then it will give less PR to internal pages and hence the internal pages will give less PR to the Homepage.
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jimdomains
Joined: Mar 16, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 02:56
Dinkar - so you are saying that the net effect is that it DOES reduce your PR by linking out without a reciprocal - correct?
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jbgilbert
Joined: Sep 16, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 03:10
jimdomains - NO. Thats not what he is saying.
Let's say your site is A and it has achieved a PR6 through inbound links. And, let's say you link out to another unrelated site B.
IT DOES NOT REDUCE THE PR OF A...
To further illustrate:
Let's say your site is A and it has achieved a PR6 through inbound links. And, let's say you link out to many unrelated sites B through Z.
IT STILL DOES NOT REDUCE THE PR OF A... What happens is that the more outbound links site A has, the less PR it "passes on" to each of the sites B through Z.
This is why getting a link to your site from a PR6 links page with 500 links on it passes very little PR to you.
But, remember PR is not the only concern anymore:
- quality on topic links is what you are looking for. I'll take a PR3 on topic link before I'll take a PR4 not on topic link anyaday.
- and Yahoo and MSN could give a hoot about PR!
Is that better?
IT DOES NOT REDUCE THE PR OF A...
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bangbang
Joined: Apr 15, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 03:25
No, the PR6 is accumulated by inbound links to the PR6 website. Outbound holds no weight unless the PR6 is linking to a banned or penalized page.
When this PR6 site places a link out to another website, it "passes on" some PR but does not reduce the PR6 site at all. Also the more outbound links on the PR6 site's page, the less piece of PR pie it gives out to each of those sites.
So... The PR6 page with 100 outbound links, only passes on a tiny amount of PR to each website, it gets spread amongst them all. So really it's better to have a PR4 page linking to you as you being the only link, then a PR6 linking to you and 99 others.
Also remember each individual page has it's own PR, it's not classed on the whole domain. You also pass PR on to your own pages, a PR6 index page will pass PR to your subpages if there's links to them on that PR6 index page. But remember, very few links on that page will pass higher PR to your subpages, dozens of links will divide out between them all giving a lesser PR to all pages.
Edit: Haha, i'm too slow typing that wernt there when i started jbgilbert. We said pretty much the same thing, but spooky... we even wrote "passes on" in quotes :-/
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jimdomains
Joined: Mar 16, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 13:28
jbgilbert - I understood your position from your first post but that is not what Dinkar appears to be saying.
jbgilbert quote:
"What happens is that the more outbound links site A has, the less PR it "passes on" to each of the sites B through Z. "
This would also mean that it is passing on less to your own internal pages which if they are linked back to your home page, is getting less PR back from them and thus DOES indirectly reduce your home page PR. That is also what I believe Dinkar was saying in his post.
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Dorian
Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 14:17
The simple answer is 'yes'. Any link from page A to page B lowers the rank of page A.
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Dinkar
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Joined: Aug 12, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 15:03
You are right jimdomains. A link added to site A won't directly reduce site A's PR. It will "PASSES ON" less PR to it's internal pages and the sites that are linking back to site A and hence the net effect is - IT WILL REDUCE SITE A's PR.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 16:49
What about the likelihood of someone reaching your web site?
Counting links is not what made Google famous, any engine can and does simply count links. The calculation is based on a random surfer model. That means that the math is calculated to achieve a score that is not just the number of links.
Besides ... it would be silly to build a system that penalises web sites for doing what the system depends on ... linking
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Dinkar
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 17:43
Reduction in PR is not penalty but the output of PR calculation.
IMO, if your site offers original service/product (i.e. not an affiliate site or something similar) then you don't need to worry about linking out. Link to the related sites and it will turn your site into good resource site. People always like such sites and they used to tell about it to their friends/relatives.
IMO, word of mouth publicity is the best and cheapest publicity to bring quality visitors to your site.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 18:12
One thing you might want to consider in this equation re linking off page, is the issue of authority sites - and, IMHO, this factor could be more important in the future tha PR itself.
Just a thought.
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Rezac
Joined: Jan 25, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 19:29
Linking to another page is not like drilling a hole in the bottom hull of your sailboat. Why do people think it leaks out?
http://www.webmarketingezine.com/searchengines/google-pagerank-algorithm.shtml
this is an interesting article but I can't say I totally agree with it.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 19:40
Hmm.. I have a couple of great resources pages that are getting longggggg that I must get around to splitting up into individual categorised pages, better for visitor, better for my site, better for those I am linking to 
{adding to my things to do list}
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Dorian
Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 10:21
Linking to another page is not like drilling a hole in the bottom hull of your sailboat. Why do people think it leaks out?
Because that's exactly what happens. Its not an old-wives' tale, its the logic on which google's algorithm is based.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 18:14
The ODP links to 4 million external pages. Why isn't their page rank zero then? It should all have leaked out with that many links. They have a PR of 10 at the moment.
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excell
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 18:18
I agree, it seems to me that the more links out the better the PR
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Logan
Joined: Aug 14, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 19:05
you are not going to increase your pagerank by increasing outbound links... pagerank is derived from links to a page, not links from a page.
Here is a previous related discussion from the archives
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Dorian
Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-30 19:18
I agree, it seems to me that the more links out the better the PR
Deep breath. People are going to assume that guides know what they're talking about and really this is day 1 knowledge. I'm sorry to hit you so hard but I'm a big fan of jimworld and I can't let this go.
The ODP links to 4 million external pages. Why isn't their page rank zero then?
It is commonly believed that the ODP is a special case and Google may have inflated its PageRank. Personally I believe that inbound links are more significant. Have you ever considered how many sites claiming to be a directory in their own right use the ODP for their results?
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