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villageidiot
Joined: Oct 08, 2003
# Posts: 21
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Posted: 2004-May-06 06:29
Hi All,
Let me ask, who believes that google is a cohesive working
search engine? I do not.
I think the SERPS we are looking at currently, were actually
calculated last september or october. Why do I believe this? because
I have been trying to drop off the front page for a site for terms
I no longer want one of my sites to attract traffic for. But alas,
for this term I no longer want to rank under, I cannot drop off the
front page. I also cannot rank new sites or terms.
Everything indicates that google is actually updating it's index,
but its SERPS, are not a reflection of its index.
I honestly thought that whatever google has been doing, it would
finish it before announcing its float, obviously I am wrong on one
or possibly more scores. Does anybody else think the SERPS don't
match the index?
Cheers
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drongo
Joined: Jun 28, 2000
# Posts: 511
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Posted: 2004-May-06 09:20
If you have backlinks affecting your rank then whatever you tinker with will likely not affect the way Google sees your site.
As to whether it is a cohesive search engine, Yes.
I used to be critical of Google especially when they had a near monopoly but now, after seeing what Yahoo! has rolled out I am really a big fan of Google and use nothing else..
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villageidiot
Joined: Oct 08, 2003
# Posts: 21
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Posted: 2004-May-07 07:49
Possibly, but if A + B is what I used to get my initial SERP
position and I remove B, I tend to think my SERP should at
least drift slightly.
Comparing to the new Yahoo index is interesting, as I tend to
think there are a lot of positives with the new yahoo, only
one small problem, they cannot crawl for nuts. If they fix
this, which they may, it leaves and interesting proposition.
I still don't think the SERPs are current. For instance has
anyone taken a new site, say mid year last year and ranked
it on the front page on a competitive term? If so when did
they reach the front page?
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REMbraNT
Joined: Jul 29, 2002
# Posts: 82
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Posted: 2004-May-08 03:03
villageidiot YES. I started a site in 2003 november. Now it's 3rd for a "competitive" foreign word. Actually for a couple of words. Not english words though.
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andromeda
Joined: Jan 28, 2004
# Posts: 38
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Posted: 2004-May-08 03:34
How competitive is competitive? I started a site at the beginning of last year, and it moved up to #1 for my main keyword (out of 350,000... so not competitive) in a little while. I then began focussing that same site on another, slightly more competitive keyword, and went from nowhere to #25 (out of 700,000)
But please, share what you've done to not be able to get bumped from #1.  I'd like to duplicate your results, lol... especially as I have been dropped from #1 to #6 for my main keyword.
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scottfla
Joined: Feb 26, 2004
# Posts: 354
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Posted: 2004-May-08 05:05
villageidiot: "I think the SERPS we are looking at currently, were actually calculated last september or october"
I've got two new ones that rank, although very poorly, that were posted in March and April.
"a lot of positives with the new yahoo, only
one small problem, they cannot crawl for nuts." I'll let this one go.
"I still don't think the SERPs are current. For instance has
anyone taken a new site, say mid year last year and ranked
it on the front page on a competitive term? If so when did
they reach the front page? "
No-one really seems to know why new sites don't rank better but most seem to acknowledge the issue. IBL's are listed, PR improves but poor serps.
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villageidiot
Joined: Oct 08, 2003
# Posts: 21
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Posted: 2004-May-10 01:36
Hey guys, thanks for your replies.
Rembrandt: I think a foreign word would be treated more like a
3 or 4 term keyword. Not in the barrels, but the search has to
go the index itself. i.e. Some searches I am sure are answered
by the pre-calcluated barrels/SERPS, others are answered by having
to go to the actual index. But this does highlight a point we
should all keep in mind. I can write a page today, it can be
crawled and rank #1 for a term outside the highly competetive
terms. It can still attract high quality surfers who are looking
for something very specific. i.e. "antique mauve widget fittings"
andromeda : Early last year, I think there was enough time to
rank before sept/oct period. I to have a couple of sites that
made it as far as the front page before then, but now cannot move.
scottfla : the new site issue along with my not being able to
drop from a competitive term really answers my question.
My question has been answered to my satisfaction, thanks guys.
A last thoght for everyone. Last year google embarked on modifying
their structure to accomodate more than 3.2 billion pages, maybe
they are yet finished...
Cheers
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Rezac
Joined: Jan 25, 2004
# Posts: 817
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Posted: 2004-May-10 06:28
scottfla,
That's an interesting point about new sites not ranking well. I wonder why that is. Another thing is, has anyone made any leaps an bounds in the serps after making significant changes?
You don't see many posts tittled "yaaa, thanks for the help guys, I'm #1 again!"
I should probably start a new thread, but it seems like SERPS swing back and forth, and maybe there's a way to reach out for that next level instead of swinging back and forth in the same positions.
For example, I'll be on the bottom of page two for a term and then I'll see myself on the middle of page three, and back and forth.
Maybe there's a timing to some of this?
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castlebooks
Joined: Apr 23, 2004
# Posts: 5
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Posted: 2004-May-11 00:26
I saw somewhere a discussion about new sites -- it was suggested it was to stop the 'cloak - get banned - new domain - cloak again' cycle and Google is banning ALL new sites for 3 months. Getting indexed in no problem -- just no top results except keywords with no competition.
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