surftime
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Posted: 2004-May-25 23:19
Is there any reason why this site is number #1 for competative search terms like "portable air conditioner" and "portable air conditioners" ? (on Google that is)
site = http://www. brilliantcooler .com/
My site www. air-conditioner-home . com is noware to be found but has more links, PR, ect ect
The site design is OK for that site, they have meta tags, PR is low, but they do have a very short title. Could that be it? Its gota be more than just that or it would be too easy
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this one
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edit_pal
Joined: Nov 27, 2003
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Posted: 2004-May-26 00:20
keyword density is higher... the site has been around in present state longer...(at least one indexing...) and it actually contains a page called portable conditioner. Google seems to give weight to the words appearing in order as well, and they can repeat within reason. I have seen the keywords in urls up top twice... but never 3... I'm too timid to try. Looks like the keywords for 3 word phrases are best to be clustered...
Highlight and have a look.
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surftime
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Posted: 2004-May-26 16:28
So do you think that is it, just higher keyword density is all thats needed?
what about off page factors, this site does not have much going for it there, did they just get lucky?
Thanks
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-May-26 16:36
It's not only keyword density.
They have 8 keyword text links going to their home page that say "portable air conditioners". Get 9 keyword text links from other sites to your site and you'll beat them out.
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edit_pal
Joined: Nov 27, 2003
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Posted: 2004-May-27 02:14
Nice digging Bhartzer! I think if I was in surf's shoes-I would be happy to be competing with that guy for top spot. He's working hard.
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88sahara
Joined: Feb 17, 2000
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Posted: 2004-May-27 06:12
The links this site has received has nothing to do with the subject, typical unrelated links from link exchanges, but the fact that there are only 200,000 sites returned for the result makes it that much easier.
Also, while this site has links pointing to it, most of the links reside on links pages of cell phone an dother un-related links pages, meaning that the effect of the PR of these links pages counts that much less due to how many sites they are linking to from one page.
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puremorning
Joined: Feb 13, 2004
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Posted: 2004-May-27 13:23
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They have 8 keyword text links going to their home page that say "portable air conditioners".
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I've found out through various client sites that for search terms that aren't ultra-competitive, inbound link text is easily the most important factor, or at least you can get away with focusing on that.
I had one site in particular that did not even have my primary search term mentioned on the page (besides the page title) and was sitting at #1 on Google for 2+ years - nearly every inbound link from other sites contained this term.
Besides, unless someone knows the exact formula for *perfect* keyword density, it's a gamble. And do you really want to mess with the usability of the site by adding - often ill-fitting from a UI PoV - search terms on each page?
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surftime
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Posted: 2004-May-27 18:25
I dont think it has to do with the word not being competative
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=air+conditioner
this term has about 1000,000 searches and they are on the first page. And 8 inbound links with that term on it ... thats not much. I just gave my site 5 more links with that term on it from the home page of my other sites, all with at least a PR5 so we will see what happens in a month.
Look at the other sites in the search, they have tons of links and good PR -- COULD THIS SITE HAVE HIT THE GOOGLE ALGO RIGHT ON THE HEAD?
THOUGHTS ????
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Spirderman
Joined: Aug 04, 2000
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Posted: 2004-May-28 17:38
They do not have 9 links. I would say in the vicinty of at least 200+.
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-May-28 18:05
They do have more than 200 links, but it's those 8 keyword text links that get them to the top of the rankings.
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Pongo
Joined: May 27, 2002
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Posted: 2004-May-28 18:08
funny thing about that #1 ranked site - it looks over done for the words ( portable air conditioners ) like how it needed to be pre-Florida.
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surftime
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Posted: 2004-May-28 19:52
link:http://www.brilliantcooler.com/
I only see 10 links, not 200
Am i missing something
Also the PR is only 4, isn't PR supposed to be google's idea of popularity and importance
I just want to continue this to see if we can learn a little more about google and how this site got up there
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surftime
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Posted: 2004-May-28 19:53
OH
Pongo, i agree with you there on the keyword density
it seems way to high for a 3 word phrase
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igotdreams
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 21:44
As far as link popularity, I show;
Brilliantcooler .com with 402 links to it
Air-Conditioner-home.com with 268 links to it
So, a combination of all these things seems to be your problem.
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