leatherman
Joined: Apr 27, 2008
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Posted: 05/04/2008 08:35 am
Is Page Rank affectively dead? Does it make any difference at all to your positioning? Is it worth paying to get into the Yahoo directory and Hacker Safe etc.?
The reason I'm asking is we rank pretty well for most of our search terms (page 1 and from 1 to 8th most of the time) but our page rank is a lowly 1.
Would a couple of respected high ranking site links make much difference?
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 05/04/2008 10:05 am
It's ranking that matters, not rank.
one of the few uses of PR is to detect long-term trends for a page - and even that is unreliable, but can be useful at times. For example, it may be a clue that a page is no longer being promoted, or that they've just discovered paidlinks, and google haven't yet discovered them.
It has no 'absolute' value at all, and you'd be unwise to assume a link from a high PR page had much more value than a low pr page; indeed, if the relevance of the high pr page wasn't right, the low PR page could be much more useful.
So while it may be a bargaining chip, that's only with folk who know no better. So they may not thank you (or renew) as they learn more.
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leatherman
Joined: Apr 27, 2008
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Posted: 05/04/2008 10:28 am
Yes I agree totally, it's ranking that is important. That is why I'm asking the qustion.
Are you saying that links from high page rank sites such as the Yahoo directory, ODP and Hacker Safe will not increase our Page Rank?
And if it does increase our PR will that help in our search engine positioning? In other words does PR carry any weight these days.
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animated3d
Joined: Dec 22, 2005
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Posted: 05/04/2008 10:33 am
PR means nothing but a link from a high PR i found out, helps to indexe new web sites faster i tested with some of my new sites
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 05/04/2008 06:17 pm
Very hig ranking pages of quality directories do pass over some page rank, but probably not so much as they used to. And page rank itself is, in Google's words, just one of over 200 factors - whereas for a while it was THE major factor. those 200 aren't all equal, of course!
I agree with animated that a link from a quality directory is a great way to get indexed smoothly and quiclky; Google trusts high quality editied directories, so an entry is like a refernce from your grandmother!
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kynduvme
Joined: Apr 18, 2001
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Posted: 05/12/2008 11:48 am
Its easy to see correlation one way or the other. Do a search of a competetive term in your industry. Look at the top 10 ranking sites. Analyze what you can and draw your own conclusions.
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nhd4me
Joined: Oct 14, 2007
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Posted: 05/12/2008 06:30 pm
Quadrille, "reference from your grandmother!" ... lmao
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arkada
Joined: Nov 14, 2003
# Posts: 292
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Posted: 05/30/2008 03:19 am
For a new site, it is still worth it to pay to get it listed in the Yahoo directory?
Thanks in advance,
Arkada
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 05/30/2008 03:47 am
For the Yahoo! serps, definitely yes. For Google serps, less definite - but few directories have that quality (and few have those fees!). It has to be a business decision, at that price.
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 05/30/2008 04:35 am
PR given by google have a very low importance now-a-days. In fact 90% of your visitors even have no idea about PR given by google, and they are not using google toolbar.
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yextel
Joined: May 07, 2008
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Posted: 06/03/2008 06:23 am
thanks to all
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animated3d
Joined: Dec 22, 2005
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Posted: 06/03/2008 06:39 am
the only importance PR would give is to give scores to the links pointing to a site it could affect the ranking but its one of the many things the search engines consider of ho to rank sites
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 06/12/2008 12:53 am
Yes, as the best search engine Google recommemdation PR shows the waightage of your site i.e. more the PR, better is the site.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 06/12/2008 02:47 am
Sorry, that is not right.
PR has nothing to do with quality, nothing at all.
PR is not a recommendation from Google.
PR is simply a crude measure of the 'link popularity' of the page about 4 months ago. No more, no less.
And it is one of some 200 factors that Google uses to assess the value of a site to a particular search.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
# Posts: 2006
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Posted: 06/12/2008 03:55 am
We've been telling people for some time now not to sweat too much about PR.
This is still good advice, but I have noticed lately that Matt Cutts has been talking about it more and more and dealing with it as if it is quite important.
It may be because the masses have an interest in it and his blog is for the masses - not entirely sure but it's worth noting.
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 06/12/2008 10:00 pm
Yes, you both are right.
PR shows the link popularty of s site.
More PR means more backlinks.
Our main aim should be to improve our link popularity by collecting back links and the effect will be increase of PR.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
# Posts: 2006
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Posted: 06/12/2008 11:27 pm
>>Our main aim should be to improve our link popularity by collecting back links and the effect will be increase of PR.
But why though? What you need are good ranking positions. That should be your main aim.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 06/13/2008 02:00 am
PR is one of 200 factors that matter; putting energy into building a better site is much more likely to get targeted visitors, relevant backlinks and conversions, than obsessing over PR.
In 2003, you could say PR chasing was a 'main aim' ... not now.
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wallstreeterww
Joined: May 31, 2005
# Posts: 34
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Posted: 06/17/2008 09:52 am
I have been told(and correctly told for that matter) that pagerank means almost nothing. Im seeing sites that have a low pagerank, rank high in google while im seeing pr 6 sites languishing in the top 100 rankings. That should be teh first clue right there. Its links that come from relevant sites with good information that are clean that count.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 06/17/2008 10:26 am
'sright.
I remember the days when a PR=3 page would *never* appear above a PR=4 page in the serps; those days are long gone.
[Thank Goodness!]
Relevance checking is much more sophisticated these days, and Quality *really does* matter.
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