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starfishone
Joined: Jul 25, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jul-31 07:36
I am a novice, may I ask the google ads cheating methods?
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g1smd
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Posted: 2008-Jul-31 19:52
What, how you can cheat, or how people may be cheating you?
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harrysmith
Joined: Mar 31, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Aug-10 10:02
lol... if you want to cheat Google Adsense and want to get banned your account then just clicks on your ads 
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 2008-Aug-10 19:03
starfish, we, as a community, generally don't support any actions which would be viewed as "cheating" anyone.
The basic premise being if you have to ask if it's wrong, then it's probably wrong.
As for cheating with Google Ads, folks have done it, gotten banned for it, and they are still dumb enough to try it again and again.
The bottom line is this:
Don't cheat.
Just work on builidng a legit website that attracts traffic - clicks and revenue flow form that.
If your concern is that others may be cheating you, then stop by the Google Adsense or Adwords blogs, and drop the folks there an e-mail. It'll take them a while to repsond, but the engine's ad programs take cheating with their systems very seriously.
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freeflyer
Joined: Aug 06, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Aug-12 09:59
yes, but they still cant stop adwords fraud. All they do is block a few IP's and leave the rest to you.
Adwords is severly flawed, and in my opinion is an utter waste of time, energy and money. Its a cop out solution to a problem which is best dealt with in other more effective and cheaper ways.
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freeflyer
Joined: Aug 06, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Aug-13 10:39
just had another client going on about adwords. What amazes me is that people are willing to pay stupid money in order to get on adwords, but arent willing to pay anywhere near that for a professional SEO campaign, which reaps higher rewards and serves them better in the long run.
If i went to one of my clients who is currently paying say £50 per day on adwords, and told them my fee was changing from what it is now to the equivalent £1500 per month, would they pay it? No ! so why they'd pay it for what i consider to be a poorer service is very odd indeed.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2008-Aug-13 14:00
I wouldn't agree with you Freeflyer on this. People work out the ROI before they spend a lot of money. Adwords or the PPC mode works for quite a number of people.
Some domains depend on Adwords for their survival. It may be more expensive than the organic SEO campaign, but the returns more than make up for it.
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semma8
Joined: Aug 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Aug-15 18:13
Sorry, Prowler, I'm with Freeflyer on this. SEO is definitely a better long-term spend.
Freeflyer, I think the problem is that this is somewhat akin to a company's decision to buy another factory in boom times. Everyone knows it should happen but it's a large investment that it is really difficult to show the ROI for (see, Prowler, I agree with you too!). PPC on the other hand can easily be tracked using URL tags and coded pixels.
Show me an SEO campaign that's doing amazing and I'll show you a VP of Marketing who's congratulating himself on a great online response to TV ads.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2008-Aug-16 08:45
>> SEO is definitely a better long-term spend.
Sure. Absolutely. I am not putting down SEO at all. I only mentioned that there are some domains where PPC has its value. 
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freeflyer
Joined: Aug 06, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Aug-16 11:16
i think adwords is good for a new site, or a struggling site. But, its expensive, and how many times have you ever clicked on a sponsored link? i know i havent, but obviously some people do.
I think to use adwords (and for it to be more effective than your orgnic results) there has to be something severly wrong with your website and marketing. Adwords isnt going to fix that, yet a lot of companies rely on it instead of addressing the real issue.
It also amazes me why some companies think nothing of shelling out hundreds on adwords campaigns, , yet have a much smaller budget for organic results... i dont quite understand it to be honest.
I'm not a fan, as you can tell
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semma8
Joined: Aug 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Aug-21 16:22
>>I think to use adwords (and for it to be more effective than your orgnic results) there has to be something severly wrong with your website and marketing.<<
That's going a bit far there in my mind freeflyer. Adwords is a supplement, like vitamins. You can't get your calories (traffic) from vitamins (adwords) but what you're lacking in quality of food (content), vitamins helps to make up for. Therefore, yes, if you spent all your days balancing your diet (improving your content, uploading new content, etc.) you wouldn't have to use vitamins but if you haven't got the time to eat perfectly healthy, they sure do help! (Did I loose the metaphor there?)
Meanwhile, I think that some people really do abuse adwords. Rather than working on content and making it unique, interesting and applicable, they simply buy adwords or really ANY PPC service. This is despicable because it really shoots e-retail in the foot due to bad customer experience but sadly, happens quite often.
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freeflyer
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Posted: 2008-Aug-21 19:09
ah but i did say 'and for it to be more effective than your organic results' , and i stil stand by that, due to the fact that more google users cick natural results than they do sponsored results.
Either way, you lost me with the analogies
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semma8
Joined: Aug 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Aug-22 15:01
Touche, freeflyer. My fault for not reading more carefully. With a more through understanding of your post, I agree.
And yes, I think I lost myself in the analogies!
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