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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Jul-30 04:00
Wow!!
Looks like a steamroller to me. The fact that this man raised two daughters that can stand up a speak so well, was a telling point for me.
Made me want to give my Canadian citizenship... I'm unreviewed and I'm reporting for duty. 
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Enterprise
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Jul-30 04:35
Good speech. Well delivered. Lots of promises. Lots of balloons and confetti. No explanation of how he will achieve his lofty goals. Same as any politician. Its all showbiz. Its a popularity contest.
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Posted: 2004-Jul-30 04:52
Normally I'd agree, but not this time. Regardless, this election is the most important in our lifetime, and now it begins. I have a feeling that the low voter turn out that has been the norm for the last few elections is about to change.
Every once in awhile someone comes along ... it's the greatest history of the US, the currency of the US, has been the leadership. What I seen tonight of John Kerry, is that type of magic.
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AmeriClicks
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Posted: 2004-Jul-30 05:12
All in all it's been a very good convention for the dnc.
I too was very impressed with the Kerry children. Very well put together and very articulate.
Gotta love the Balloons. If you were watching CNN then you were treated to 5 mintues of ranting by the Dem Event director calling for more balloons and finally CNN cut off the open mike when he said the F*** word live. Classic!!!
I've always been a lifelong and diehard republican and recently changed parties as I've lost confidence in the GOP. I've lost all respect for Bush and Cheney..
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Jul-30 05:47
Yeah, caught that guy, guess I can't blame CNN for letting the feed run. It was truth stranger than fiction. But the guy hurt only himself. How red can a face get? That poor guy will never live it down.
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Rezac
Joined: Jan 25, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Aug-01 00:54
Speaking of CNN. I have friends in media, so we're always watching the little details when the crew makes mistakes.
"Stand by ballons, Q confetti, Q confetti!" It was being broadcast live on CNN!!! I love watching media giants make terrible mistakes.
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Rezac
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Posted: 2004-Aug-01 00:56
Err, ya Americlicks already mentioned that. It was awesome!!!
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St0n3y
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Posted: 2004-Aug-03 20:12
Is the convention over? I'm still waiting for Kerry to tell us what he will do... you know, reasons to vote for him. All I heard (and yes, I watched his whole speach) was non-specific sound bites without any real definition of how?
We all want peace, how is that achieved?
We all want health care, how do you provide quality health care without taxing the crap out of everybody?
We all would like the UN to be more involved in Iraq, how will Kerry get France on board when they have a real governmental policy of NOT helping us?
I guess it boils down to this: results matter. After 20 years in the Senate, Kerry has very little to show.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Aug-03 23:44
the choise to me looks like a worst and worster contest. I would prefer not to vote then to vote for Jr, but, Kerry isn't much of a choice, as Stoney here points out, he doesn't seem to stand for anything (exept generalities which we all like).
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Aug-04 12:42
If Kerry dosen't do it for you, what on earth was it about George that did?
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St0n3y
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Posted: 2004-Aug-04 20:48
You can disagree with GWB on the policies, but at least he stands for what he believes. Can't say that about Kerry. In regard to the war on terror, Kerry's record of voting against national security interests (regardless of his sudden hawkishness conversion) is beyond pale. He voted agains almost every military advancement that we use today, voted for cutting CIA intelligence budgets and on-the-ground informants, and the list goes on.
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Aug-04 21:28
Yeah, some of that is starting to come out now.
I guess a better way of phrasing the question would be ... do you think it's time, that perhaps, the position of leader of the free world, should go to ... how to put this ... I guess what I'm saying is perhaps you guys should consider looking beyond your own border for talent. I mean the last time you had someone "in the job", I felt compatible with, he was shot dead, and that was a very long time ago.
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greenleaves
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Posted: 2004-Aug-04 23:07
lol, unreviewed
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Aug-04 23:50
Don't get me wrong, I love Americans. I even married one.
I was ashamed of my country (Canada), when the US decided on Iraq. As far as I'm concerned, if the US goes, Canada should go, right or wrong.
But if Kerry is so inept, how did he get the democratic nomination and how has he so easily made this a horse race, currently running 50% in the latest polls?
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St0n3y
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Posted: 2004-Aug-06 18:06
I mean the last time you had someone "in the job", I felt compatible with
It is certainly not the role of American citizens to elect someone compatibale with the citizens of other countries. That's why I cna't stand to see polls of what other countries think of us. I don't care what they think of us. We need to do what is best for us, they can do what is best for them. We don't expect France to do what is best for the US (though they should do what is best for the world), nor should we be expected to do what is best for them. American interests come first and foremost in our elections. Period. Anybody voting otherwise is a traitor IMO.
But if Kerry is so inept, how did he get the democratic nomination
Four Words: Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis.
and how has he so easily made this a horse race, currently running 50% in the latest polls?
a lot of help by those who decide what's news and what's not (and lean decidedly to the left).
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Aug-06 19:45
The Democrats here in the states really wanted Howard Dean to be the nominee ... he's the guy that most represents how they want things run. But he's such a loose cannon, and so very polarizing, that they knew he was totally unelectable. Kerry is the most "mainstream looking" guy in the bunch, so he gets the nod, as he stands a decent chance of making it a real horse-race, and could possibly get some independants to move over.
I saw a poll the other day, where even though it's basically a 46% - 46% tie between Bush and Kerry (that changes by a point or two either day with the wind), of the 46% that are going with Kerry, nearly 70% are picking him solely because he's not Bush. Those are the Dean Voters. The 30% of that figure that are actually "For" Kerry is the reason he's the Dem nominiee, IMO.
Were it to have been Dean v Bush, you'd have all the Left wing maniacs going for dean, the Same core 46-50% going for Bush, and much, much larger undecided/independant faction (maybe 12%) that aren't on board with the lunacy that is Howard Dean. Kerry is the Dems only real shot at gaining ground in the middle, and not further fracturing the country. A race with 2 polar opposites like Dean/Bush would have been fun, but it would have alienated a lot of people, and the Dems are smart enough to have recognized that early on, and made sure that he stalled early in the primary season.
Personally, and I've said this before (and hate to admit it publicly), I agree with Rush Limbaugh on this whole thing .... Kerry's out there for the sole purpose of losing. The long range goal of the Democratic party is to have Hillary Running for President asap, and if Kerry wins, that means she potentially could have to wait 16 years. That's not going to be allowed to happen. Expect the Clintons to do some sneaky stuff here soon. I wouldn't doubt it if some of the wierdness you're hearing about Kerry now is them leaking things out to lampoon him. Conspiracy theory gone haywire? Definitely, but with those 2, you never know....
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Aug-07 21:20
It is certainly not the role of American citizens to elect someone compatible with the citizens of other countries.
So ... if, Canadians elect a government that decides WMD is a great way to go, no one in the US is going to care? We'll still just be those polite beer drinkers up north?
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Aug-08 03:25
We're going to care, but we can't stop you ... other than to stop doing business with you, and to build a 20 foot tall electric fence and moat accross the border
The key word that you used there is "elect" .... nations where the people have the power to "elect" typically don't put people into power that would be so extreme. That's the nice thing about democracies ... even though the rhetoric you hear is that both sides are "lunatic left wing" or "extreme right wing" ... in reality, neither side is really all that far to one side or the other. Extremists (like Dean) are shoved aside, as the mainstream/middle of the roaders are who does the actual electing.
Interesting to note that 2 democracies have NEVER gone to war with one another. Probably because the middle of the road really is pretty much the same, give or take a few issues, no matter which electorate has done their job.
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unreviewed
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Posted: 2004-Aug-08 03:53
I agree John. I'm just pointing out, the American President effects our lives (non-US citizens) to such an extent, that it's just red neck hillbilly logic to think that the rest of the planet doesn't have a vested interest in whom is going to lead the US.
We don't get to vote, but never the less, we need to believe in the US President.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Aug-08 20:25
One thing that I think that everyone needs to realize, is that although the President is "The Face" of the USA ... he really doesn't have dictator like control over things. Everything (well, 99% anyway) is done through channels. As an example, just because Bush is out there talking about a bigger tax cut, or privatizing social security, doesn't mean it'll be done. Kerry is talking about a tax increase for people making 200k or more, and nationalized healthcare. Without majority approval from both houses of congress, these are just the things these guys wish they could do. No president can just roll in and decide to "make things so". Similarly, looking at the war stuff, everyone likes to beef about which companies got the big contracts over in Iraq. Every contract was presented to congress and senate committees, and approved by majority. Bush and Cheney don't make those calls, congress does.
One of my favorite things about america is that we have a very combative form of government. The founding fathers were brilliant, if nothing else, in setting things up in such a way that it takes months and years, and many votes, and committees, etc. to get even the simplest legislation passed, let alone big complicated things. That's why you can be assured that 99% of what you hear from both candidates is pure BS ... the things they want you to hear and beleive. In reality, if 10% of what they want goes through all the channels, it's a miracle. That's why you almost never see real sweeping changes from administration to administration. It may seem like it, and it's fun to talk about who did what or who didn't do what, but at the end of the day (or the term), it's the rare thing that actually gets done.
For my money, that's the best way to do things. It should be very hard to make anything happen, otherwise, you'd run the risk of one election giving one wacko the ability to totally destroy things. As it is, we go up and down slowly and gently, rather than ride a roller coaster. We b***h about .5% changes in the economoy like it's the end of the world. Over in France and Germany, they battle 5% and 10% fluctuations all the time. We don't have that problem, because of the "insane" amount of checks and balances built into the system. It's a beautiful thing, even if it is frustrating as hell sometimes.
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