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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 04:46
I am quite curious who uses what software or method of designing their web sites and why you use what you do.
Examples:
FrontPage
DreamWeaver
Just FTP and Word
Etc......
Please Share 
Also if you have had a "bad" experience with a web develop software please share about that as well, so others can be forewarned.
Beth...
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
# Posts: 1472
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 09:43
I use Dreamweaver coz it's easy just need to learn how to design now :s lol
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
# Posts: 3050
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 14:11
Dreamweaver
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10465
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 14:23
Wordpad or PSPad, FTP program, and Mozilla.
W3C HTML and CSS validators.
Many WYSIWYG editors produce untidy or bloated code. You always need to know how to edit the HTML code directly.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
# Posts: 14513
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 15:40
Cute HTML by Globalscape - editor that gives complete control with a couple of helps.
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dirty_shame
Joined: Aug 28, 2005
# Posts: 191
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 23:15
WAMP(Windows,Apache,MySQL,PHP), Zend, CuteFTP, Putty, NoteTab Pro, PaintShopPro8, IrfanView, Adobe Photoshop, medium-tip pens, aspirin. I like the roll-your-own, bust-the-mold, hack-'till-you-bleed development style, obviously.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
# Posts: 3050
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 23:21
>>WAMP(Windows,Apache,MySQL,PHP), Zend, CuteFTP, Putty, NoteTab Pro, PaintShopPro8, IrfanView, Adobe Photoshop, medium-tip pens, aspirin. I like the roll-your-own, bust-the-mold, hack-'till-you-bleed development style, obviously.
You're just showing off
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
# Posts: 14513
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Posted: 2005-Dec-14 23:53
Uphill through the snow...
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kevchadders
Joined: Feb 18, 2002
# Posts: 581
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Posted: 2005-Dec-15 22:41
Mainly Dreamweaver, mixed with good ol notepad.
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Curt
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 3747
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Posted: 2006-Jan-16 06:15
hahaha, I'm still using FrontPage98 and Notepad for building pages though FP98 kinda stinks with extra tags or missing tags here and there. Should go with Dreamweaver, but Dreamweaver has it's own problems--mainly bloated code and extra spaces. At any rate, no matter what web page building software you use, you are gonna need to use notepad or similar type of editing program.
Illustrator, Photoshop (sometimes), CuteFTP, local copy of Apache server, local copy of PERL, and mah brain  (and mah fingers too  )
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2006-Jan-16 11:43
If you know what headings, paragraphs, lists, tables, and forms are, and can do the HTML code for images, and links (and know the basics of CSS styling) then you can dump the WYSIWYG, especially FP98, completely.
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Curt
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 3747
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Posted: 2006-Jan-18 05:10
The only reason I use WYSIWYG is because it's faster at times than hand coding. I know html, javascript, CSS, PERL. FP98 is a pain too, but it still does save some time on page structure though 2 recent sites that rely mostly on CSS positioning are not compatible with FP98 so they are totally notepadded (hey new word teehee  )
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kevchadders
Joined: Feb 18, 2002
# Posts: 581
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Posted: 2006-Jan-26 18:05
Dreamweaver and ASP.NET
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
# Posts: 1394
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Posted: 2006-Jan-27 01:42
can't resist, this varies depending:
editplus - windows code editor, fantastic product, the best I've ever used or seen. Best $29 you'll ever spend. Multiple line search and replace, nobody except dreamweaver has that.
kate, kedit, nano, vi [rarely] - linux code editors
dreamweaver4, only for search and replace site management functionality - NEVER for code editing except one macro I made to clean up bad site code.
fireworks4, better than mx version, same functionality, doesn't eat all your memory. Clean simple web graphics program.
photoshop. For most photoediting and processing. Also use some of it's gallery automation output, just the images, not the html.
thotor thumbnail generator, better than photoshop, smaller size, better quality. Harder and harder to find though.
I have irfan too, don't use it much.
todo: learn the gimp.
filezilla ftp, great product
wamp: windows 2000, apache with mod ssl and mod php, gd, mysql.
lamp: debian based system, apache2, php, mysql, various other toys.
ssh client for ssh access to remote servers, can't remember who makes it, it's decent.
Firefox with developer extensions, that's your best single tool. Lots of good ones, there are no secrets any website can hide from you with the right tools in your hands.
Lynx to test sites actual data flow. Elinks, links2, w3m for actual surfing in console mode.
other browsers just to check that it works. All of them. MSIE 4-7b. Konqueror with kde 3.5 for safari compatibility testing.
xenu link sleuth
ethereal for when you just have to know what those ip packets actually contain.
ping
traceroute [tracert in windows]
old style analog 'software': o'reilly books, as many as possible.
definitely time to do something else now though.
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As to what to avoid, obviously frontpage. Why that is used by anyone is totally beyond me. Any wysiwyg editor for code editing, it's not faster, copy and pasting is faster. You can't use those products to create stable cross browser css/p, so why use them at all?
FTP programs that don't support secure ftp, sftp.
Telnet programs, telnet is not secure.
fireworks mx, totally bloated, the worst, insanity must have hit macromedia.
Notepad, unsafe at any speed, can insert hidden characters, unsafe to use for any reason, especially for programming of any type. I do not understand why any web professional uses such a bad product, it's literally unchanged for 10 years, and that's not saying it's good, it was bad then, and it's bad now. All code editors on any operating system are better than notepad. It is the absolute worst code editor in existence.
What else? hmm.. that's it I guess, see you around, have a good year.
<these mulitiple edit things, one day, they'll get fixed too? should be a flag, not content>
[ Message was edited by: lizardz 01/26/2006 06:01 pm ]
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dirty_shame
Joined: Aug 28, 2005
# Posts: 191
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Posted: 2006-Jan-29 08:41
Lizardz, you doing alright there? Good to see your input.
I should retract what I said earlier in this thread. Everybody should start making web pages using a Commodore with a 5-inch yellow screen, no hard drive at all, a DOS OS, a couple kb of ram and 472 4.25-inch floppy disks. It's a lot like FrontPage come to think about it.
After that, you can talk turkey with the best of them. Think of it this way: It's like the next time an outlet goes out in your house, don't bother to check the plug...Just go directly to the power pole, climb it and check out what the transformer is putting out just to make sure. Everything from then on is easy.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
# Posts: 14513
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Posted: 2006-Jan-29 13:26
LOL - added thought - every time I try to use a wysiwyg thingo it wrecks not only my code, but also my design - grr.
It would be so lucky not to know!
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Prowler
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Joined: Aug 14, 2000
# Posts: 1829
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Posted: 2006-Jan-31 06:40
I was using Edit plus too all these years until I found this: PSPad from www.pspad.com
Recently we had to modify a site written in most of the European languages for our European Partner. Linux Kwrite did a manageable job in cryllic too. But Editplus couldn't read Russian script and mangled the code. When we waded through pages of search results for a simple text editor, it appeared that there may not a be an easy solution to the search for a powerful text editor in Windows with multi language capability. Fortunately we came across this freeware software. It has multi line search and replace, Reg expression enabled search and a multi language dictionary.
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