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Author Topic: Small Claims Court Retracted
myinfo
Little Pup
Posts: 21
Registered: Feb 2001
posted 03-15-2001 08:56 AM
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After all my cost of going to court and winning my decision I would be left with $150. Not worth my time. Considering the fact that SI denies webmaster with large traffic their cheques I'm flattered to be considered a large traffic site by SI.
Rob from what I see of you, you know stuff. When you erased the topic I created to cover up the honest truth, I knew I won. There were no threats or obscene remarks made and you erased it. After all this I want to know, why did you erase the topic?

For your own sake listen to me. You need large traffic. Denying this is denying growth.

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Shiftlock
Board Hound
Posts: 520
Registered: Oct 2000
posted 03-15-2001 09:05 AM
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Listen idiot, I have a very high traffic site and I receive checks WELL in excess of $1000 every month, on time, without a problem. The only payment problem I ever had with SI was due to a technical error, and it was resolved within 24 hour (additional check cut - Thanks Steve S. - Another helpful & friendly SI employee). I don't know how many times I have to say this, but if you follow the Terms, don't cheat, be honest, and you will get paid EVERY MONTH IN FULL ON TIME!
I'm 100% sure you either:

1. Outright cheated.
2. Violated the Terms.

Now GO AWAY.

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myinfo
Little Pup
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Registered: Feb 2001
posted 03-15-2001 09:11 AM
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I have had many webmaster tell me that they don't get paid because SI will pull something out of the Terms and Agreement. Accusing them of cheating. Read a independant review at http://www.adbility.com/search_results.asp?search_val=si
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Shiftlock
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Registered: Oct 2000
posted 03-15-2001 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by myinfo:
I have had many webmaster tell me that they don't get paid because SI will pull something out of the Terms and Agreement. Accusing them of cheating.
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Uh, there's an obvious solution to this. Follow the Terms and there won't be anything for them to "pull out". The Terms were written for a reason. It's not just a bunch of words you can skip over. They're not that complicated. If you don't want to read them, or you're not smart enough to understand them, or you don't think they matter, then SI doesn't want to do business with you, and you WILL NOT get paid.

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tosm
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Registered: Dec 2000
posted 03-15-2001 09:17 AM
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You know searchtraffic is 2nd click since somedays ago. Many NN-sites have lost 50-95% of their ST-income after this change. I think you should give Searchfuel a try.

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myinfo
Little Pup
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Registered: Feb 2001
posted 03-15-2001 09:19 AM
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I should also mention that if you had read my topic which was erased before. You would have seen my innocence. I had emails as proof and html code posted.
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Shiftlock
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Registered: Oct 2000
posted 03-15-2001 09:23 AM
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If you feel so strongly about this, then sue them. So what if you're only left with $140. Do it on principal. Think you have a case? My money's on SI.
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myinfo
Little Pup
Posts: 21
Registered: Feb 2001
posted 03-15-2001 09:28 AM
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If I did everything on priciple, I would not have signed up for SI to make money. For me to make $150 is not that hard.

I signed up for their program a week or so ago for my mp3 site and the first post i ever made got deleted by their topic snatcher...hehe.

I was inquiring about the popuptraffic program and whether (a non-load that wasn't counted as a unique because it was closed before it finished loading) also tagged it as not being counted within the 12 hour period in which case even if that user let the popup fully load the next time within 12 hours, WOULD IT BE COUNTED?

I also said in the same post that i liked the initial results and everything.

POST DELETED WITHIN 5 MINUTES.

I proceeded to post 2 more rants (well, the second one wasn't really a rant, only asking why it was deleted) 3rd one was definitely a rant.

Needless to say, i have witnessed the immaturity of the SI people not only on these forums but at their own forums where they can play FORUM GODS. I'm not saying they aren't qualified for what they are doing and maybe their intention is to run off webmasters that just started using their program and be nice to the ones that are actually converting for them and making them money.

Oh well, i guess in order to succeed you must step on a few people on the way up.

BTW, I quit the program after the the 3rd post got deleted and will obviously never use their program again.

I am not sure what your background is. Are you a business person looking to start up an ISP? Are you an engineer with hardware that wants to start one up? Seriously, if you have to find out how to start an ISP, are you really ready to start one? All you need is the hardware, and the money, plus the know-how.

And, here is some commentary:
http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-consulting/9901/msg00019.html

This is the exact circumstances why I do not write anything on their message boards. I really want to warn all of their members about who these people are about. It is pointless because they delete any negative postings immediately. Only the postive comments remain. Robert is glued to his monitor like 24/7. Don't bother.

One of their main sources of revenues is by terminating their affiliates. I have read about many cases of this very thing. Some rightfully and many wrongfully. The general consensus is given that when someone cheats their program they will still keep the money from the advertiser as the eFront ICQ logs stated. Maybe that part of the logs were "doctored" too I cannot comprehend why so many people still use their programs when there are greater programs to choose from. Those are probably the few brainwashed members. Those who are afraid of saying anything critical of the company. Those who really know how they feel about that company but are afraid to speak up. It is really sad.

Myinfo, they have used your money to feed themselves for the week. With the recent changes to their programs you can only imagine they need the money with a significant loss of their affiliate database. Still, their claim will always be they have over XXXXXX members.

I wouldn't waste time in taking them to court over a small amount. What goes around always comes around. eFront is a good example of this.

The funny this is I have a 30 page transcript of email between my staff and SI concerning compliance, in which they said we were fine after some adjustments. Oh well... I am waiting to see how this all develops... small claims is no answer..

Standard Internet are well known for being very tough on people that are cheating or obviously not complying with their terms. They deal with hundreds (thousands?) of affiliates and I imagine that a very high percentage of people who join try to cheat them.

Imagine owning a normal (brick-and-mortar) store and having 10 or 20% of your customers walk in and try to steal something. Don't you think that after a few weeks of this you would start to get pretty angry. Try to continue running the same business for 18 months with the same types of people always trying to steal from you. Occasionally you might accuse someone wrongly but the vast majority of times you punishing thieves.

Allclicks, SearchTraffic and PopupTraffic are some of the most widely used affiliate programs around. Hundreds of people receive checks from them every month. Although I don't always agree with their approach, if they weren't so tough they wouldn't be in business today and a lot of small webmasters would suffer as a result.

If you want to complain let's hear some facts and show me the site/pages in question. I don't know if they still do it but Standard Internet used to keep copies of the pages that were breaking the rules and it was always very interesting to see the cheats exposed with their own stuff. S.I deserves a chance to respond to these claims.

- Simon

I have email transcripts that are pretty clear as well.

In one case, I was told my search box was not legal. The problem was the search box I was using was for a search of my site.

The standard argument they make is... your traffic is worthless to us because it is all about ________ (fill in your site's niche here). Hence if you have a site about haircuts and that is not making money via Goto or now Sprinks then SI makes no or loses money.

Now is that my problem? I don't see how it can be. If SI wants to play big then they had better work out a business model that akes this into account. My firm lost more than a few grand on this deal (alot more). If SI had said from day one, this won't work It would be fine. I would have deverted efforts else where.

I have email transcripts that are pretty clear as well.

In one case, I was told my search box was not legal. The problem was the search box I was using was for a search of my site.

The standard argument they make is... your traffic is worthless to us because it is all about ________ (fill in your site's niche here). Hence if you have a site about haircuts and that is not making money via Goto or now Sprinks then SI makes no or loses money.

Now is that my problem? I don't see how it can be. If SI wants to play big then they had better work out a business model that akes this into account. My firm lost more than a few grand on this deal (alot more). If SI had said from day one, this won't work It would be fine. I would have deverted efforts else where.

His account was correctly terminated. He was adequately and properly notified.

There is nothing else left to comment on.

On a related note: Check for all of SI's legitimate affiliates maied out yesterday. On time, and in full. As always.

Here is my reply:
myinfo
Member
Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Mar 2001
posted 03-15-2001 07:20 AM
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Excuse me Rob, but I have never DEMANDED for SI to change it's Terms and Agreement, and I have never asked my surfers to HARASS SI. You should have my messages, it was on your forum, so prove it! I was also never notified to remove my links. I sent about 4 emails to SI (3 to ST admin, 1 to SI webmaster) unanswered, I had to place a topic on your forum twice to receive my notification that I was banned.
It is also welcoming to see how I can hear your opinion so quickly on another forum. You still never answered my question about why you removed my post which prooves my innoncence.

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myinfo
Member
Posts: 6
From:
Registered: Mar 2001
posted 03-15-2001 07:26 AM
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Wait a minute I just saw something else wrong about your post, which is almost childish.
Spread-your-Legs.com does NOT have any adult content and I don't use "lurid surveys" or even use popups from Exit Fuel. Get your facts straight.

The name Spread your Legs is supposed to be a satire humor for a NON-nude site.
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I also have emails, which are dated on around December, when SI was telling me how they will accept my site.

I saw your rants on SI's forum and I went to your site. You had a bright yellow survey box on the left side margin that said "How much would you pay a prostitute for sex" and then it had dollar amounts listed.

And you had exitfuels never ending, time delayed popups from hell. Jennifer Love Hewitt was on the one I clicked on.

Just because you removed them when you got called on the carpet for it doesn't mean squat.

Just blow away. No one cares. All your proven to me is that your full of it.

When I called to request back payment, once a day for maybe 6 days I was told to stop harassing his staff.

As far as exitfuel goes, those terms are new as far as I know.

It is kind of funny SI is losing clientele to Internet Fuel rapidly, and all of a sudden SI webmasters can't use Internet Fuel?

Smells fishy to me, and just in case any SI people bash Internet Fuel, they were in www.clickz.com today ... more than I can say for SI

You are an employee of SI. Don't try to hide behind another user name. 1 post, give me a break, your even using a free email service.

Nice try...Rob perhaps, maybe just another SI zombie? I have tons of proof if you ever need it. Yes I did have a survey box, but it wasn't yellow and it didn't have the word "prostitute". Like I said before, get your facts straight.

[This message has been edited by myinfo (edited 03-16-2001).]

The fuel guys are prominently discussed on another of Jims forums under the heading "GoTo Scam Partners" http://searchengineforums.com/Forum16/HTML/000489.html

myinfo, your first post was your first one in this thread. My first post was in this thread also. Why are you so defensive? What are you hiding? Are you afraid of me giving my opinions just as you give yours?

[Adult Natured content removed. DO NOT PERSIST. - Silv]

[This message has been edited by Silv (edited 03-19-2001).]

I apologise. You are using popupsponsors never ending, delayed popup window hell.

I was mistaken when I said you were using exitfuels never ending, delayed window popup hell.

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