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mairu
Joined: Dec 22, 2003
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Posted: 2003-Dec-25 21:11
Hello everyone :D
My first post. A little introduction.
I'm a humble webmaster. I used to only care about design and ignore clients asking for SEO. But then, finally, now i've been doing a lot of research for the last week or so, i figured its not rocket science after all, and i have read so much and yet gathered the same stuff everywhere. All the usual Meta, Alt, PR, Linkbacks, title, DMOZ yada yada yada
In short, being an ethical coder and an honest designer and some submission knowledge. Because so many posts have agreed that if you over-optimize, you loose it. And what they call "optimize", is the very usual things they teach you at nursery school in HTML classes. All that i have gathered is, there is no magic formula. Just be simple, effective, straight and honest in your web strategy. Code it the prescribed way.
First question, am i right ?
Second, then how do all these SEO marketing companies GUARANTEE top listings in search engines ? When such thunderous dances happen every month ?
Third, what is the role of submitting through software if your code is already done the right way ?
Fourth, should you submit from software and manual both ?
Last, what are all these for :
www-in.google.com, www-cw.google.com, www-fi.google.com ??
Merry Christmas
Thanks 
Edit : Grammar
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10465
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Posted: 2003-Dec-25 21:31
Yep, the <title> tag, meta description, heading <hx> tags, alt attributes on images, and the on-page content are all the right things to optimise.
Doing things like hidden text, keyword stuffing, and so on, are the wrong things to do.
Companies that GUARANTEE a top spot are to be avoided. They are probably using dodgy techniques to push ratings higher in the short term, but the site will get burned later. No-one can GUARANTEE a top spot.
I would completely avoid the automatic submit-to-a-bazillion-search-engines software. You are better off submitting by hand to 30 or 40 sites, reading their submission guidelines first.
Google has many datacentres each with a slightly different database. When you search at www.google.com you get a random datacentre each time. You can search directly at each datacetre as well.
Try www-fi.google.com, then -in, -va, -ab, -dc, -cw, -ex, -zu, -lm, -mc, -kr, and -sj.
For each datacentre -xx there is also a matching -xx2 too.
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Paul J
Joined: Dec 13, 2003
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2003-Dec-27 04:58
I'll add something as well. I've seen random companies that guarantee top spots. In fine print, you have to pay the top dollar for a PPC ad, or they'll utilize phrases that no one searches for.
You're right - it's not rocket science. But there's not a day that I don't learn something useful. For instance, the names of the different datacenters at Google. Gonna have to check that out. Thanks g1smd!
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sirduncan
Joined: Jun 15, 2000
# Posts: 481
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Posted: 2003-Dec-27 15:07
#1 - Yes. Code straight and honest. Thats your best bet.
#2 - Previous two posts are right. Unethical methods, cloaking, keyword stuffing, doorway pages, and the like. All of these methods can get you top ranking positions, but they probably wont last because your whole site will get banned.
#3 - As stated - manually do if at all possible. You'll get better results and less chance of problems.
#4 - Same as #3
Last - I'm still learning about these too. Lots and lots to learn, and these forums are an excellent place to do that learning. All of my listings have climbed since I started spending time here.
Does someone have the link to the google datacentres ranking checker? Where you can check on all the different centres?
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