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jesbasementsystems
Joined: Sep 27, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Jan-07 03:06
Anyone have a clue what info INK uses for its ranking criteria? Link Popularity? Keyword placement in tags? What about the old Keyword density, and "length of stay" odds and ends?
Thanks!
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Webmaster-Toolkit.com
Joined: Jul 18, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Jan-07 12:19
Seems to rely very much on on-page factors and higher keyword density than most. They've also stated that they DO consider words in the meta keywords tag and that you should separate keywords in that tag with a comma.
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jesbasementsystems
Joined: Sep 27, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Jan-09 14:31
so if were optimizing the keyword tag for widgets, blue widgets, and red widgets, would I use "widgets,blue widgets,red widgets" or would that be spamming that tag since I'm using the word "widgets" over adn over?
Thanks for tha advice!
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ben4given
Joined: Jan 09, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jan-09 14:35
Inktomi is on my mind right now. I hope might be a good thread to float this question. My site has pretty good rankings on Google and at least is being spidered by others. But I have never seen Slurp visit, which I understand is Ink's bot. I have a paid submission with Position Technologies that shows my site is OK with Ink and a few hits coming from them, but the robot never visits? According to Position Technologies it is revisited every 48 hours (I only pay for the home page). Is it possible that Slurp doesn't index the remainder of my site because I am only paying for index.html?
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Webmaster-Toolkit.com
Joined: Jul 18, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Jan-09 19:10
"widgets,blue widgets,red widgets"
That would be fine providing you don't use your widgets keyword like 20 or so times. Bear in mind though that whilst Inktomi say they take notice of the keywords tag, it won't be very much notice.
Is it possible that Slurp doesn't index the remainder of my site because I am only paying for index.html?
Yes I've heard that this can be true, but as I don't have any experience of Ink's PFI I'll have to wait for a more knowledgeable person to clarify.
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ben4given
Joined: Jan 09, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jan-10 17:43
Am I correct in thinking that Slurp is Inktomi's robot? I never see a visit from Slurp in my log files.
Does Inktomi's robot, whatever it's name really is, read all the words from a page and just index them? Or do they rank the words by their location and placement on the page?
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Curious_Mark
Joined: Dec 02, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Jan-10 19:05
I once posted a reply to an e-zine article where I asked about the apparent limitation of Ink spidering of pages once one or more pages were paid for. The rep at Position Tech sent me a reply directly from Inktomi who stated that Inktomi will spider the other pages as well. If that is true ever or always, who knows, I never use pay for inclusion so I have no experience with this directly.
For the record I have experienced very, very good Inktomi rankings for clients just doing things the same as I did for Google. I did not put commas in the meta keywords. It would seem to me that Ink doesn't really put much stock in this tag regardless. I can't see how anybody can really factor the meta keywords in, there are just to many spam uses of the tag. It looks like the baby sometimes has to get thrown out with the bath-water.
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ben4given
Joined: Jan 09, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jan-11 18:24
Can you recommend a good way to check your site's rankings with Inktomi? I search on Hotbot to see what Ink is deliverying, but they have sponsored sites listed first, and I don't know if they muddy up the waters with other results as well. I was wondering it there was a site that delivers pure Inktomi results.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Jan-11 19:23
Try this
http://search.positiontech.com
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ben4given
Joined: Jan 09, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jan-13 14:04
Position Tech is the company I pay to have my site listed with Ink. I will check but don't remember them having any way to check your rankings with Intomi.
I don't remember the prices exactly, but for example, Position Tech charges $40 to have one URL listed in Ink, then $20 for each URL (page) thereafter. If Ink's spiker is going to spider all the rest of the pages anyway when you submit your index page, paying for more would be sort of stupid (if you knew that). Based on search results from some of Ink's customer sites I am pretty certain that Ink has spidered my site in depth. I can find search terms that are only used deep within my site and not on the index page that I am paying for.
Based on all the above I think this is what is going on...
I think Ink does in fact index the entire site eventually even though only the index.html page has been submitted by a pay for inclusion program. But, somehow it cloaks its spider so the owner does not know their site has been spidered. If they knew they wouldn't pay to have more pages submitted. I may be wrong about this. I'm just floating an idea to see what others think.
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MakeMeTop
Joined: Jul 05, 2000
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Posted: 2004-Jan-14 09:15
>I'm just floating an idea to see what others think.
Nice idea, but no cigar, I'm afraid
Inktomi has 2 sets of spiders - a PFI spider and a "natural" spider. The natural spider crawls via incoming links, the PFI spider crawls pages submitted. Provided your site is well linked to, it will get crawled fully and for free - but it takes time. PFI is instant gratification. The PFI spider only crawls the pages paid for, the natural spider crawls all pages found.
This is why I normally do not renew PFI when it has expired. After a 12 month period the sites are in Yahoo, DMOZ and other directories, are linked to by other sites and have been fully crawled by INK. Provided the pages are relatively static PFI is no longer needed.
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ben4given
Joined: Jan 09, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Jan-15 13:52
> Inktomi has 2 sets of spiders - a PFI spider and a "natural" spider. The natural spider crawls via incoming links, the PFI spider crawls pages submitted
What name do these spiders use? What started this whole question was the fact that I can never find a record in my logs of "slurp" visiting my site and I thought slurp was Ink's spider.
> This is why I normally do not renew PFI when it has expired. After a 12 month period the sites are in Yahoo, DMOZ and other directories, are linked to by other sites and have been fully crawled by INK. Provided the pages are relatively static PFI is no longer needed
My logic may have been wrong, but I had already decided not to renew the pay for inclusion program. Based on their own reports it wasn't delivering much value when all it reports are hits to the home page.
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