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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-17 22:38
Hey, Guys!
I’ve got a web site whose homepage is all flash. To avoid the SE problem I put the homepage in frames and gave the SE’s <noframes> text to look at.
Here are my questions:
1. Is <noframes> text seen as less important by SE’s than regular on-page HTML? I really want to keep the flash page, but it’s becoming really important that this site gets ranking…
2. I really only need one frame to hold the flash page. Can I do something like:
<frameset rows="*">
<frame src="mainpage.htm">
</frameset>
…or will the SE’s see that as some kind of trick?
Thanks!
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-Nov-17 22:51
To rank well you'll really have to get rid of that flash page altogether. Another option is that you could cloak it, or you could make an html page that has the flash embedded in it and put the normal text on the page sort of 'behind' the flash content.
Personally, though, I would get rid of the flash altogether.
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-17 23:15
Thanks bhartzer!
How would I put the "normal text on the page sort of 'behind' the flash content"?
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-17 23:35
I just came up with this idea. I don't know if anyone else has tried it, but I'd like your thoughts...
I have a homepage that is full flash, which as I understand it is hurting me something fierce with the SE's.
The problem is I really want to keep the flash page. It's for a web design course, and many of my students list the site design as one of the reasons they chose my course over another.
I came up with an idea to keep the flash page. What I'm thinking is that I'll build an HTML homepage, and put a flash detector in it. If the user has flash, it'll take them to the flash homepage. If they don't, they'll stay where they are. That way I get an HTML homepage for the SE's, and most users will still see the flashy entrance.
What do you guys think? Has anyone tried this?
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2004-Nov-17 23:57
Your idea is exactly what you need to do. The bots don't have flash so they will get your real home page.
Great idea, that's exactly what you need to do.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Nov-18 13:15
I've done this many times - Works fine.
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-18 23:10
Okay, I set this up, but the html page displays for a second before it shoots to the flash page.
Is there a good solution for this? It looks kinda jinky...
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Prowler
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Joined: Aug 14, 2000
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 11:13
In your case, you can try User Agent triggered serving of pages. This way many of the older version of browsers (the minuscule percentage who still uses them)will gracefully 'degrade' to the HTML version.
Robots will see only the HTML version like the older version of browsers.
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 16:58
Okay, here's what I did to solve my problem.
I fixed the flash sniffer redirect, which fixed the problem I was having with the page displaying for a second before the sniffer worked. I put the <NOSCRIPT></NOSCRIPT> tags in the body, surrounding everything except the tall image at the top.
Now:
1. Flash users see the flash page.
2. Non-Fash users with JavaScript see the "no_flash_index.htm" page.
3. Non-JavaScript users see the noscript portion of the homepage.
4. the "no_flash_index.htm" is the same as the homepage, so I used a meta noindex nofollow.
Yea!
[ Message was edited by: davidseo 11/19/2004 09:51 am ]
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 17:59
Now, I've got a new problem, though. Setting the site up like this effectively traps users in the site if they try to use their back button. I seem to remember that there is a code I can use that keeps the first page out of the browser's history. If I use that code, does it affect the SE's in any way?
Btw, does anyone remember the code I'm talking about?
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davidseo
Joined: Jan 18, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 22:39
One more silly issue.
Now that my index jumps right away to another page, how do I see my page rank?
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
# Posts: 6776
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 22:45
In your browser setting disable Meta Refresh, in IE it is found in your security settings, click on custom settings.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2004-Nov-19 23:31
Aaaarggh!
Another person chasing pagerank, rather then looking at where their site is placed in the SERPs for relevant searches!
Don't fall under the spell of the little green bar!
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2004-Nov-22 09:26
David - I have PM'd you an example of how to use the flsh detect to aid ranking.
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St0n3y
Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Nov-22 15:27
Another person chasing pagerank, rather then looking at where their site is placed in the SERPs for relevant searches!
Don't fall under the spell of the little green bar!
Not to get this discussion off track, but while I agree with you, g1smd, in theory, the practice of such is, unfortunately, quite illogical.
Too many others use the little green bar as a measure of relevance for a site, therefore a visible (and good) PR must remain somewhat of a consideration for that reason alone. I can't tell you how I wish that the PR bar would just go away, but its there and must be considered solely because OTHERS consider it.
Kind of a catch-22!
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