Pilot
Joined: Mar 09, 1999
# Posts: 9
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Posted: 1999-Mar-09 23:30
I currently have a "dummy" directory with a default page that has an ASP redirect header statement that automatically sends the user to a page located much deeper in the site. I have not yet submitted to any SE's. I initially did not want to create a doorway page per se, but is this my only option if I want the initial page to be indexed? And would using the META REFRESH (with a 5 second delay) tag in place of the ASP Redirect in the initial page still allow the engines to index and spider it? Thanks for your help.
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SB
Joined: Aug 04, 1999
# Posts: 11
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Posted: 1999-Aug-05 01:53
Hello, all. My first post (been lurking a while), so I'm sorry if this is in the wrong spot.I've been following the cloaking and doorway pages discussions. I've come up with a way of looking through anypage with a refresh (java or other). However, IP cloaking "can't" be pierced unless you come in with that IP. I've read in some places re: hacking / etc... about IP spoofing. I *think* this means that you visit a site but make yourself look like you are coming from another IP. Does anyone know of any methods, tools, etc... to do this? TIA SB
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KevinL
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 52
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Posted: 1998-Dec-16 16:57
First off, I'm very happy with my SE ranking and don't want to screw anyting up.
But I've been thinking about adding a little javascript to remove frames. If the page is not in "_top", then do something like top.location = self.location
Will any search engines kick me out if they find this redirect? Thanks.
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muhan
Joined: Feb 23, 2000
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2000-Feb-23 08:54
Hi all. I've been reading over the posts here and there are some interesting topics going. Some of the ideas listed here for getting better SE listings are intrigueing. I have a few questions regarding some terminology and how they help with SE listings?1. Site map
2. Hallway page
3. Doorway page
4. robots.txt Just for background, I run a dynamic sql 7 driven site on NT where just about every page is .asp with ?'s that will keep them from getting listed. Any help on how to get those pages listed would be a great help. Thanks in advance.
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big mitch
Joined: Feb 09, 2001
# Posts: 102
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Posted: 2001-Feb-10 05:34
I have heard that it is harder to get flash site better rankings. being somewhat technically illiterate why is that, and what can be done to improve the rankings
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ianvh
Joined: Nov 02, 1999
# Posts: 50
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Posted: 2000-Jun-28 21:43
I created a website for a friend of my fathers (I am 14) and I do not know how much it is worth. I registered the domain, designed and coded the whole page, lined up the hosting, but the owner of the business had written out what he wanted each page to say. It would be appreciated if you could state how much you believe this website is worth, and what currency you are using. Here's the URL (thanks Itay!)- http://www.homegrownpork.ab.ca Thanks! ianvh [This message has been edited by ianvh (edited 06-28-2000).] [This message has been edited by ianvh (edited 06-29-2000).]
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Dave Lawson
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 1999-Mar-10 02:14
Used to be (a few months ago) that "short" meta-refreshes were not allowed by an increasing number of SEs. It's probably still true. The search engines were keeping us guessing as to what constituted "short" but as I recall the best guess was I believe under 20 seconds. Getting the index page indexed is crucial. If you truly need this meta-refresh for artistic reasons, why not try a workaround that involves server side includes... put some code around the refresh tag that only shows it to browsers but not search engines? Then make sure your index page has links to important pages, so you give the spiders a map for crawling your key content.
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DHTMLRing
Joined: Nov 26, 1998
# Posts: 235
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Posted: 1999-Aug-05 02:22
Wouldn't this be against the law? <hint>
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KevinL
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 52
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Posted: 1999-Jan-07 17:19
If anyone's interested, I found a site that uses this and I did a little research. It looks like Inktomi will not index pages with javascript redirects. All of the other majors did index the page. So it looks like I won't be using this...unless I make a doorway page without the javascript.
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Mikkel Svendsen
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2000-Feb-23 12:01
Most of the subjects have been covered in older threads in this forum but I will try and give you short explanation ...1. Site map:
- is basically just one page with links to all the pages on your site. It can be done in many ways; presented graphical, using Java or just by plain HTML. 2. Hallway Pages:
- is just a fancy word for about the same. Just remember to use straight HTML links for hallways. Hallways are used to feed spiders with links to all pages in your site. 3. DoorwayPage:
- is a page that you design to target a single keyword for a single SE. 4. robots.txt:
- is a file that you can place in the root of your web to tell spiders what pages to index and what not to.
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DianeV
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 5246
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Posted: 2001-Feb-10 05:40
The basic problem is that search engines read text, not images ... and Flash is one big image. Therefore, there's nothing to spider.I suppose you could embed the Flash movie in an html page. I'd suggest reading the Dynamic Pages forum; I believe this has been taken up before.
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Itay
Joined: Jun 02, 2000
# Posts: 32
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Posted: 2000-Jun-28 22:05
You may want to include your site URL =)
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Pilot
Joined: Mar 09, 1999
# Posts: 9
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Posted: 1999-Mar-10 02:43
Thanks Dave. That's a great idea. I'll give it a try. Is it best that this index page be the root page of my domain, or can it be the default page of one of the nested subdirs? Thanks again for your help.
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SB
Joined: Aug 04, 1999
# Posts: 11
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Posted: 1999-Aug-05 02:27
I didn't mean it in a way to hack a site. But I've seen posts about ways to "cloak the headers" (my terminology is probably all wrong, sorry), where you can change the appearance of your browser or server information to appear to be Skooter or some other search engine. Isn't that why people say to cloak by IP and not the other information? Would it be "illegal/bad" to appear as someone else with an IP trick, but not "illegal/bad" to do so with the other information? Thanks
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muhan
Joined: Feb 23, 2000
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2000-Feb-23 12:30
Well, it doesn't seem that any of these things will help get dynamic pages with ?'s in the url listed on any SE's.
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ianvh
Joined: Nov 02, 1999
# Posts: 50
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Posted: 2000-Jul-02 03:31
Is this site really so bad that no one wants to give me their opinion? I really would appreciate your help.
Thanks;
ianvh
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Dave Lawson
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 197
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Posted: 1999-Mar-17 01:00
Yes, it's best that it's the root page because that's the page that most wants to be "all things to all people (robots)"!
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jacqueline
Joined: Jul 19, 1999
# Posts: 119
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Posted: 1999-Aug-05 15:51
That's just simply illegal...after all the research I've done on IP delivery....if you do this it's 100% hacking.
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Mikkel Svendsen
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 1322
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Posted: 2000-Feb-23 13:49
nope  ... you need to get rid of ?-marks either by doing static HTML pages from the database or by converting the URL's
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andyman
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 1999-Apr-02 05:46
Pilot,
may I am dumb, but why don't you put your 'much deeper page' up in front as the default.htm page instead of redirecting?A
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