Keensurfer
Joined: Nov 05, 1999
# Posts: 885
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Posted: 11/21/2003 11:29 am
We've all seen hiccupps in Google before but what Google is serving up now is almost sacreligous. They've built the best and most popular search engine in the world by returning relevant results. As an SEO, sometimes I've been happy where companies I work with stood in those results, other times I've been less than happy --- yet I always believed they were trying to return the best result to the searcher.
Today I feel differently. Very differently. Hopefully Google will come to their senses and not let down the millions of consumers who have come to depend on Google to provide the most relevant search to the consumer.
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SEOK
Joined: Jul 24, 2002
# Posts: 288
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Posted: 11/21/2003 11:54 am
These results are hurting our traffic worse than a terror attack... Google if you are listening... Stop the TERROR!
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laurieb
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
# Posts: 17
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Posted: 11/21/2003 11:59 am
Yep, they have definitely changed their algo. Results on all my sites are completely different to what I have come to expect, some way up, some way down, and much of it defies logic.
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g1smd
Staff
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10280
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Posted: 11/21/2003 12:09 pm
It ain't over 'til it's over.
See what is happening when the update is finished.
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radio900
Joined: Jul 07, 2000
# Posts: 270
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Posted: 11/21/2003 12:21 pm
ppc - they're going to make everyone pay now
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ak
Joined: Dec 17, 1999
# Posts: 180
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Posted: 11/21/2003 12:37 pm
That's maybe what it is --- Cyber-terrorism! Infiltrating google and created to disrupt the international web community. Doing a good job at it, too!
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cabbagehead
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 532
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Posted: 11/21/2003 12:57 pm
g1smd - how do you know the update is not already finished?
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 11/21/2003 01:43 pm
It is too bad that Searchengine Forums don't keep old database information. What you are saying here I posted similar, or even more drastical remarks and forecast of Altavista, when they started charging for inclusion.
The same happened and before it happened and Google didn't exist, my crystal ball said, Altavista (#1 Search Engine in those times), would loose at the end.
It took a few months after that to finish with Altavista.
This can probably be checked still in history by the runners of this Forum, but probably I have posted 20-30 posts on the downfall of Altavista when it was #1.
When money is involved, there is no SE that will continue without manipulating here and there to fit the paying customers.
By this I don't mean it is bad to do so, but it is only that on the interest of the general public, if you are a free SE, then you need to give good results or loose alltoghether.
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 11/21/2003 01:52 pm
Content in all aspects should remain king, and spiders toghether with algorithms, should be so good to capture and expose those results.
Any other consideration will be off and biased for the end user of a SE.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
# Posts: 3050
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Posted: 11/21/2003 01:59 pm
<It is too bad that Searchengine Forums don't keep old database information>
Agree - there are a few serious parts of this story lost...
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 11/21/2003 02:18 pm
I thought it would be lack and refreshing resourses, but for sure, history of all this data, should remain...for someone. Searchengineforums, please keep for history.
Anyway I am pretty sure that the natural way would be to have a new competitor since monopolies are never good, for no one. Not even for the Monopole.
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runboy27
Joined: Jan 02, 2002
# Posts: 154
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Posted: 11/21/2003 02:54 pm
"g1smd - how do you know the update is not already finished?"
I am not g1smd, but I can tell you that the update of directory.google.com has not finished yet. It is still changing between old and new DMOZ version. About the real Google I don't know, but it is to some extent influenced by the change in the directory. Even though a million links is a small piece of the cake.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
# Posts: 6776
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Posted: 11/21/2003 03:00 pm
I'm sure there are reasons that Yahoo cannot or will not start to use and show their INK results NOW, instead of waiting for January. From a marketing perspective, the timing of "NOW" would generate a lot of publicity, mostly because Google would be caught with its pants down.
The current Google SERP is comparable to AltaVista 1999. I could not think of better timing for Yahoo to announce and display their new engine.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
# Posts: 3050
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Posted: 11/21/2003 03:04 pm
wot e said...
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 11/21/2003 03:16 pm
The current Google SERP is comparable to AltaVista 1999.
I agree, but how can it be done so poorly? It is more difficult to go back to ancestry than flow and evolve. I dont understand it???
How can it be that the simple Title Tag goes so far in Google, that no themes or content are taken much into account, and that they can go back to elementary html Tags.
It is on some purpose of course, but cant understand it.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
# Posts: 6776
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Posted: 11/21/2003 03:28 pm
This isn't the first time that Google has been this irresponsible. If they wish to test something new, they should not allow, at the very least, that test to extend to AOL and Yahoo. This is the equivalent of blockading all the major streets to the downtown area during the Christmas rush, and asking the merchants not to worry, we are doing it for your own good. 
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Google right now. I can only imagine what they must feel like at this moment ... the realization that the only relevant results currently within their SERP are the paid advertising.
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
# Posts: 412
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Posted: 11/21/2003 03:47 pm
... the realization that the only relevant results currently within their SERP are the paid advertising.
If that is so, then Google will have the same fate as Altavista. Fo sure!
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REMbraNT
Joined: Jul 29, 2002
# Posts: 82
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Posted: 11/21/2003 04:05 pm
google vorhees goes to hell.
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Keensurfer
Joined: Nov 05, 1999
# Posts: 885
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Posted: 11/22/2003 04:50 am
I can only imagine that somewhere at Google, the founders, the catalysts, the visionaries, must be sick to their stomaches, red in the face, and embarrassed to death at the results they are displaying today. Yes, there's a very large paycheck on the horizon, however, I'm sure they were hoping to get out with their dignity intact.
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sirduncan
Joined: Jun 15, 2000
# Posts: 481
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Posted: 11/22/2003 09:28 am
wow. It is clear that there is a lot of --- well ---- I'm not sure in this thread... And, if the results really are messed up, I can't blame yall at all. However, with that being said - I see no difference in my results for my market. My listings are pretty much in the same places as usual and my adwords remain constant. (actually a little higher than normal)
I wish I could share your - uh anger? - but I'm afraid I can't.
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